Chicken Genetics Blog

[KF0002]

I can get some very good pictures of some washed out female silver duckwings of Phoenix EE parentage. Sometimes in the Phoenix you can get completely silver white brest on females.

Are the birds I just posted similar to what you saw in your washed out female silver duckwings? Did the males come with fawn breasts?

 

[NagemTX]

Are the birds I just posted similar to what you saw in your washed out female silver duckwings? Did the males come with fawn breasts?

No they looked silver duckwing but the brest area on the females was creamy to silver white. Males where no different than normal.

 

[NagemTX]

Are the birds I just posted similar to what you saw in your washed out female silver duckwings? Did the males come with fawn breasts?

They look like bad silver gingers. But not quite. It's an intresting color tho.

 

[KF0002]

No they looked silver duckwing but the brest area on the females was creamy to silver white. Males where no different than normal.

They look like bad silver gingers.

Interesting. And here I thought they looked kinda neat. lol

I am reading to try to understand what in the world has happened in this line to make only some of the progeny from this one pair (and back crosses to the hen) so odd. We have had the line for many years, but the rooster was the only newer addition but from the same line. He doesn't look ginger at all but may be carrying Db. But when one of the odd sons from the pair was backcrossed to the hen, we also got odd birds from them also. So she must have been carrying it as well? Up until we started getting these odd birds, the line had always produced only silver duckwing looking birds. It's very interesting. But over my head, genetics wise. For now, at least.

 

[NagemTX]

Interesting. And here I thought they looked kinda neat. lol

I am reading to try to understand what in the world has happened in this line to make only some of the progeny from this one pair (and back crosses to the hen) so odd. We have had the line for many years, but the rooster was the only newer addition but from the same line. He doesn't look ginger at all but may be carrying Db. But when one of the odd sons from the pair was backcrossed to the hen, we also got odd birds from them also. So she must have been carrying it as well? Up until we started getting these odd birds, the line had always produced only silver duckwing looking birds. It's very interesting. But over my head, genetics wise. For now, at least.

Oh definitely they are unique! And silver ginger is just the color I could find that looked close.

It could be a mutation but that's rare.

 

[KF0002]

Oh definitely they are unique! And silver ginger is just the color I could find that looked close.

It could be a mutation but that's rare.

They are unique. I'm loving their color. I was thinking maybe it is a weird genetic mutation also, but I know that is rare. I have scoured the internet to try to find birds that look like mine and have come up empty-handed. I'm hoping maybe @Amer and @nicalandia will be able to help me figure it out.

 

[NagemTX]

Silver ginger with Autosomal red maybe? I'm looking at more pictures trying to see the differences. Let's see what others think.

 

[KF0002]

Oh definitely they are unique! And silver ginger is just the color I could find that looked close.

It could be a mutation but that's rare.

You may be on to something with the silver ginger. They do look very similar.

 

[Amer]

I am working on reading through your thread in my spare time @Amer . I have become quite proficient on turkey genetics, and appreciate your blog as a resource to fill in the gaps in my knowledge of chicken genetics.

I'm honored that you'd read it!
I love turkey genetics though I'm not as proficient with them as with chickens.
I'd like to make posts but there's just no way I could cover it as thoroughly as Franz and Kevin. I don't have enough pictures either.
I'd just be parroting them.
Meanwhile, no chicken genetics resource on the internet has been satisfactory for me so that's where my posts come in.
Maybe I should start a website, but that would mean asking for permission for pictures that I don't own...

@Amer would you care to take a stab at these birds and tell me what is going on with them genetically? They started being thrown from an old line of silver duckwing American Gamefowl. These birds all originated from one pair, both directly from the pair and also from taking a son and backcrossing to the mother. They also throw regular looking silver duckwing looking birds with black breasts in the same clutches, along with these odd birds.

The dubbed bird is the original rooster that began throwing the odd birds. The hen is a typical looking silver duckwing (not pictured).

This pullet came nearly silver and is very striking.

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The odd males come with fawn colored breasts, and not the typical black breasts you would see on silver duckwings. There is also some brownish red color in their wing bows, tails, and saddles.

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The wheaten hen was just in his pen temporarily. She is no relation to the birds in the post.

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So this is definitely Db Ginger
Silver ginger with autosomal red.
Autosomal red is another way of saying red on a silver and I've never seen the genetics explained in a way I actually believe. I don't believe Sigrid on this matter and I don't believe Brian Reeder.

Anyway, some are just regular silver ginger, so the gene Ginger on a Duckwing base, but the black tailed white is definitely Ginger on a Wheaten base. It's strange how your original rooster does not look Ginger at all, aside from a few white breast feathers. It's supposed to be a dominant gene.

No they looked silver duckwing but the brest area on the females was creamy to silver white. Males where no different than normal.

According to Nicalandia, a silver breast area on a Duckwing female may indicate the bird is heterozygous for Partridge

 

[NagemTX]

My washed out silver Phoenix hens.