Chicken Genetics Blog

[Amer]

Found a couple of old pictures from two of our original silver duckwing American Gamefowl. No Db is these birds I don't think, but I'm thinking the hen had maybe a split wheaten, split duckwing base? @Amer

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I'd agree with that assessment.

 

[KF0002]

Oh no! Even I don't understand the chick down colors.
That's the difference between book learning and experience. There are no resources online that really help me with down color so I just don't know it.
Porter has handled almost every turkey gene out there.

I could never create a chicken color calculator better than Henk's...
I'm not a coder, that's for sure.
But I'd like to have something like this but more organized and detailed
https://www.kippenjungle.nl/chickengenetics/mutations1.html

Yeah.
I don't know whether your birds are homozygous or heterozygous for their bases but that is about right.

I love Porters Turkey Color 101!

Thank you for all your help! I am excited to see what the next generation looks like. I would love to see some roosters that look similar to the silver ginger wheaten pullet.

 

[KF0002]

I'd agree with that assessment.

Thank you! I've been going through pictures trying to figure out where the wheaten came from.

 

[Amer]

Thank you! I've been going through pictures trying to figure out where the wheaten came from.

To be honest it took me a bit to figure out that she had the wheaten. But her breast does look washed out which makes me think wheaten.
That said, literally any male you have could be wheaten, and how would you know?
Black tailed white Japanese are a good example of black tailed silver... never mind the quality of the bird my point still stands.
Wheaten and Ginger

 

[Amer]

What chick colors are you getting from these birds?

 

[KF0002]

What chick colors are you getting from these birds?

The silver gingers were white looking as chicks. A pale yellow hatch down from the best of my memory. They may have had a slight pattern, but not a full duckwing pattern for sure. So maybe some were split bases too? I wish I would have taken pics. In hindsight, I guess they did look more wheaten as chicks, just more pale yellow. I just thought they were some kind of sport cropping up in the line of silver duckwings. So maybe all of the odd birds are silver ginger wheaten? Is that what you call them? Or at least split wheaten.

 

[KF0002]

To be honest it took me a bit to figure out that she had the wheaten. But her breast does look washed out which makes me think wheaten.
That said, literally any male you have could be wheaten, and how would you know?
Black tailed white Japanese are a good example of black tailed silver... never mind the quality of the bird my point still stands.
Wheaten and Ginger
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That is true. The silver covers up any evidence as to whether they are wheaten or wildtype/duckwing.

 

[Amer]

The silver gingers were white looking as chicks. A pale yellow hatch down from the best of my memory. They may have had a slight pattern, but not a full duckwing pattern for sure. So maybe some were split bases too? I wish I would have taken pics. In hindsight, I guess they did look more wheaten as chicks, just more pale yellow. I just thought they were some kind of sport cropping up in the line of silver duckwings. So maybe all of the odd birds are silver ginger wheaten? Is that what you call them? Or at least split wheaten.

Well, some of the odd ones are silver ginger e+/e+Db/?
and the others are black tailed silver like Japanese e^wh/e^whDb/?

Naturally some are going to be split based.

 

[KF0002]

Well, some of the odd ones are silver ginger e+/e+Db/?
and the others are black tailed silver like Japanese e^wh/e^whDb/?

Naturally some are going to be split based.

Is the pair I posted the right move to produce more black-tailed silver like the pullet? It is father back over daughter, so he has to be at least split wheaten. I am hoping for some more like her, especially roosters.

 

[Amer]

Yeah, that would be the way to go.