Chicken Ownership is a Human Rights Issue!

[colebarnhart]

But this goes way beyond chickens when you're talking about Monsanto!

What do wealthy powerful people want? More wealth and power, it’s what gets them off.

I think there are a ton of people that agree with you and know how corrupt things have gotten within all our local, state, national, and global gov’t systems, and how it has merged with big corp. interests because that is who pays them. Well maybe we are still clueless, but at least we are starting to wake up and have an idea, but most of us are still too scared to do anything because of maybe then showing up on the radar and getting stomped by the NWO.

However, the vast majority of people don't have a clue about Monsanto outside of the farm community; much less know anything about the Bilderberg Group or who the Bohemian Grove members are and what they do. If you even mention anything about the Illuminati then you're thought of as a conspiracy nut and nobody even wants to even be open to the possibility of the real reality and look into it and try to connect any dots, ignorance is bliss. We don’t elect our gov’t officials and haven’t picked our own president for many, many years and we've had a one world gov't for quite awhile, as well as, one global currency.

And before anyone labels me, I’m a registered Republican and voted for George W. twice, but have since woke up and no longer waste my time voting at all for a choice of 2 evil candidates that both work for the same people and are just acting out a “play”.

 

[dretd]

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I will take you at your word

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If you are going to provide this information you really should stand up, be a man, and take responsiblity for your words. Otherwise you are yelling fire in a crowded room and then say, 'I said I was just kidding before I yelled it'. If you want to be taken seriously I would suggest you do the due diligece to make sure your facts are correct and worthy of other's consideration. I know that many of your points have value, but if you include a bunch of information that is not factual folks will dismiss your ideas as being from a crank. Sorry to be harsh, but a piece of advice from a skeptic in the middle.

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It is illegal to give chicken raised and sold for food growth hormones and steroids. http://www.fsis.usda.gov/fact_sheets/Meat_&_Poultry_Labeling_Terms/index.asp to wit:
'Hormones are not allowed in raising hogs or poultry. Therefore, the claim "no hormones added" cannot be used on the labels of pork or poultry unless it is followed by a statement that says "Federal regulations prohibit the use of hormones" '

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While on the surface this may be technically true the devil is in the details and your statement is woefully misleading. There were fewer cases of-- Autism (term first used in 1911), ADD (first studied in the early 1900's but the term was not used in diagnosis until later), Bi-polarism (1913 the term manic-depression first used, in 1980 the term bi-polar was used in its place), Alzheimers (term coined in 1910), Parkinson's (term first used in 1817)--because they had not been discovered yet or scientifically had not been described. My point is that our understanding of science and especially mental illness really didn't begin until about 100 years ago. No one was diagnosed with these diseases because no one was trained in their diagnosis or the disease had not been established long enough to have criteria to go by to make a proper diagnosis. Bacteria were first discovered in the 1600's but it wasn't until Louis Pasteur's work in the late 1800's that the Germ Theory for disease was introduced.
I also submit that one cannot assume causation just because there is a correlation. The incidence of air pollution and out of wedlock births both increased in the mid 20th century but it doesn't mean one caused the other.
http://www.webmd.com/brain/autism/history-of-autism
http://borntoexplore.org/whatisadd.htm
http://www.caregiver.com/channels/bipolar/articles/brief_history.htm
http://genome.wellcome.ac.uk/doc_WTD020951.html

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The youngest mother ever recored was in 1939 with a 5 year old Peruvian girl giving birth http://www.snopes.com/pregnant/medina.asp so there is evidence of premature puberty back a ways. There is more evidence that earlier mensus may be due to better nutrition and obesity, rather than antibiotic and hormone use although a case could be made that the use of antibiotics has allowed more food to be available to the masses and therefore contributes to the epidemic in obesity that you rightly mentioned earlier.

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Do you actually know anyone that breast fed their kids? I suspect that more folks are breastfeeding now than in the '50 and '60's. I breast fed my kids, all my friends breastfed their kids and I know plenty of moms who pumped at work and brought it home for their babies. Don't go talking about stuff you don't know about.

Eric, I could go on (and on and on) but I think you get the general idea where I am coming from.

Last piece of advice, certain vocal members of society have been angrily stirring the pot with outrageous claims many don't, wont or can't verify but they fail to give a clear course of action for the masses they rile up. Please give a clear, logical, rational course of action to fix the perceived problems. If you don't then you are really just part of the problem and not part of the solution.

 

[Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay]

100 years ago chicken meat was a LUXURY saved for Sundays or special occasions. The advent of modern poultry production has transformed chicken from a luxury to a everyday protein source.

 

[Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay]

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Eric,

You need to vet your resources more thoroughly before expounding. There are absolutely NO hormones or steroids used in modern, commercial poultry production in the USA.

Ji

 

[Year of the Rooster]

Because of the use of antibiotics and hormones we are now faced with antibiotic resistant bacterial strains, causing disability and death. Our immune systems cannot handle simple colds and are weakened through the use of heavy metal laden immunizations.

This is the part I agree about most. The others, people have made valid points about and I will let them discuss it.

If you haven't already, look up "Colloidal Silver". It's something that everyone should know about. The FDA won't recognize it though because it is not a drug, and there has not been enough proof to say "it works", however it doesn't get more natural that this.​

 

[Normark]

Hello dretd

“If you are going to provide this information you really should stand up, be a man, and take responsiblity for your words.”

I am taking responsibility right now, answering this post. The warning is a standard disclaimer that I cannot be responsible for any information that may be incorrect. It is up to the reader, hence the term “Due Diligence”, just like the sign in the parking lot “ Not Responsible for Loss or Damage”.

I never claimed Anything to be fact. You have done your due diligence and I commend you for that, even though you aren't completely correct..

“Otherwise you are yelling fire in a crowded room and then say, 'I said I was just kidding before I yelled it'.”

Not Exactly the same thing.

First of All I’m not trying to Deceive Anyone as you suggest above. I also Don’t appreciate the connotation that I attempted deception, especially with the fact that I provide a "due diligence" disclaimer at the very beginning of my post. Unfair representation.


“If you want to be taken seriously I would suggest you do the due diligece to make sure your facts are correct and worthy of other's consideration.”

Most of my facts are correct, you haven't debunked much of anything. We are all subject to misconception I’m not immune from that any more than you are.

“ I know that many of your points have value, but if you include a bunch of information that is not factual folks will dismiss your ideas as being from a crank.”

So what would you consider my percentage of Correctness ?

“ Sorry to be harsh, but a piece of advice from a skeptic in the middle.”

No problem at all, as long as you are not offended in return. I'm not soft skinned, and I can be a little on the harsh side myself. As long as you are ok with it,, I am as well.

“It is illegal to give chicken raised and sold for food growth hormones and steroids.”

Really ?

Have you heard of GMO’d Soy Phhytoestrogens?
Might want to start reading...

http://www.google.ca/search?q=Effec...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a


“While on the surface this may be technically true the devil is in the details and your statement is woefully misleading.”

Be careful not to put words in my mouth, I did say fewer as in non epidemic proportions…

Are you contending that these diseases and brain dysfunctions are not at epidemic proportions, and haven’t skyrocketed since the terms were coined ? Because that’s what it’s sounding like to me…

“No one was diagnosed with these diseases because no one was trained in their diagnosis or the disease had not been established long enough to have criteria to go by to make a proper diagnosis.”

I said Fewer,, not “No one”. These illnesses are still being misdiagnosed to this day. My father died from the results of heavy metal toxicity, when for 10 months I told the doctors that he had HM poisoning..4 doctors flat out Refused to do a simple screening.

You’re twisting my words.

The fact is that these diseases are at epidemic proportions and astronomically higher than they were 100 years ago. We now know that mercury, lead , cadmium and a host of other HM and toxins effect the brain Horrifically. You're Brushing it off, as if I'm making this up.

“I also submit that one cannot assume causation just because there is a correlation.”

You wouldn’t happen to work for Pfizer would you?, because that’s exactly what Big Pharma says. In fact the Tobacco industry said the Exact same thing a few short years ago about the correlation between tobacco and cancer . Maybe you'd like to argue that for awhile ?

In some cases a direct correlation has been linked to causation. Believing anything else and it’s willful blindness on your part.

“ The incidence of air pollution and out of wedlock births both increased in the mid 20th century but it doesn't mean one caused the other.”

Apples and Oranges and Logical Fallacy.. Sorry Try Again.

“The youngest mother ever recored was in 1939 with a 5 year old Peruvian girl giving birth http://www.snopes.com/pregnant/medina.asp so there is evidence of premature puberty back a ways.”

So in 1939, what were the figures of female girls entering puberty at a young age ? Have those figures Increased since then, and to what extent ? They've increased Greatly.

Do you believe it is a natural and normal course of life for many very young girls starting their cycle at such a young age ?

Nothing like gmo’d phytoestrogens or chemicals could be causing these symptoms in young girls Huh?

http://www.google.ca/search?q=effec...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

You do understand that store bought chicken is fed a very rich diet of Soy protein( For Growth) containing phytoestrogens (Hormone).
Protein + phytoestrogens = Growth Hormone

As many Mac Nuggets and Chicken fingers are children gobble down,, connecting the dots isn’t that hard…

Skeptic or not,, you must see the direct connection, Please talk your way out of that debacle..

“There is more evidence that earlier mensus may be due to better nutrition and obesity, rather than antibiotic and hormone use although a case could be made that the use of antibiotics has allowed more food to be available to the masses and therefore contributes to the epidemic in obesity that you rightly mentioned earlier.”

Again a Direct Correlation, Leading to Causation…

“Do you actually know anyone that breast fed their kids?”

Yup.. My Wife, My sister in laws, my nieces and several other people.. I understand the difficulty (indirectly) of Breastfeeding.. I also know that many women,, more than not give up very early in the process.

I’m a proponent of breast feeding. Just say’n…

“I suspect that more folks are breastfeeding now than in the '50 and '60's.”

I highly doubt that. The trend in lifestyle would suggest far less.. I’m willing to entertain anything you would like to provide though to say otherwise.

“I breast fed my kids, all my friends breastfed their kids and I know plenty of moms who pumped at work and brought it home for their babies.”

The same here… I’d be willing to bet that more Don’t than do…

Not Exactly sure what you are disputing here...

“Don't go talking about stuff you don't know about.”

I highly suggest you take your own Advice, and again I welcome any statistics that you can conjure up.

”Eric, I could go on (and on and on) but I think you get the general idea where I am coming from.”

Ohh I Do… You’re well intentioned but a little out of touch, don’t mind me if I kick at your soap box a little…

As far as going on and on… I’ll bet you a dozen eggs, I’ll win that contest..

”Last piece of advice”

Please do.. I’m always willing to learn, as I hope that you are.

“ certain vocal members of society have been angrily stirring the pot with outrageous claims many don't, wont or can't verify but they fail to give a clear course of action for the masses they rile up.”

Maybe you could be a little clearer on what you attempting to pass along yourself.

“Please give a clear, logical, rational course of action to fix the perceived problems.”

Strangely enough,, I thought I was giving logical, and rational thought, but I guess you showed me Huh ??

I’ve never claimed to be an expert in anything.. I’m sometimes wrong.. I refuse to apologize for being wrong when I’m standing up for someone or their rights.. If I’m wrong,, I’ll admit to being wrong.

“ If you don't then you are really just part of the problem and not part of the solution.”

Willful Ignorance can also be part of the problem and none of the solution My Dear!

Peace and Love

Eric

 

[Normark]

Hello Lazy J

Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay :

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Eric,

You need to vet your resources more thoroughly before expounding. There are absolutely NO hormones or steroids used in modern, commercial poultry production in the USA.

Ji

May want to "vet your resources more thoroughly before expounding: Lazy J... LOL


"There are absolutely NO hormones or steroids used in modern"

Nonsense !!

Have you heard of phytoestrogens ? May want to look into that..

Being a feed supplier,, you carry Scratch Grain,,Correct ??

Does your Scratch Grain contain soy and or soy protein ?

Then it contains phytoestrogens...

It is also an extremely high percentage that it is Monsanto soy. If it is Monsanto soy it is gmo'd

Your "No Hormone" Nonsense has now been Debunked !

Anyone that trusts anything the USFDA says needs their head examined. In a previous post I showed you how the government is in bed with Monsanto. If they are in bed with Monsanto,, they are in bed with Every producer and manufacturer that goes in your mouth, and your chicken's mouth...

Dispute it all you like,, I'll continue to show you Why you are wrong...

P&L
Eric​

 

[Normark]

Hello Year of the Rooster..


"If you haven't already, look up "Colloidal Silver". It's something that everyone should know about. The FDA won't recognize it though because it is not a drug, and there has not been enough proof to say "it works", however it doesn't get more natural that this."

I know about colloidal silver, and I'm not a really big fan. I believe it to be a dangerous practice personally...

I do agree with the healing properties of silver,, I just wouldn't ingest it...

Many people do swear by it though..

Peace
Eric

 

[Normark]

Hello Lay J..

Because you're Lazy I'll help you out and do your Homework for you...
I cannot read it for you though..

http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/soy.htm

If that doesn't satisfy you, I'll draw from somewhere else.

Peace
Eric

 

[Normark]

Hello colebarnhart

"But this goes way beyond chickens when you're talking about Monsanto! "

No, it actually has Everything to do with chickens and the destruction of our food chain.

Corn + Chicken = Monsanto Chicken + Humans = Monsanto Humans I'm stretching it slightly,, but the old saying " You are what you eat" Rings True!!

If our chickens are eating gmo'd corn and soy, and we are eating the chickens,, Well.........

Peace
Eric