Chickentrain's Dog Q&A

[black_cat]

I also didn’t realize it, but they say that they’ll never close the stud book to the three foundation breeds, so won’t it basically just people making f1 crosses over and over like has been happening?

 

[Sally PB]

so the only way to know is OFA

I just looked that up. I would think a breeder would do that, if they were serious about having good pups and selling them.

 

[chickentrains]

I also need a basket muzzle big enough for a collie snoot

Try greyhound muzzles

 

[chickentrains]

Imho, all dogs should be muzzle trained. Deacon is trained dog obvious reasons but also for emergencies.

 

[NatJ]

Ok i'm looking for a chain dog collar that doesn't have the choke chain effect. Does anyone know what i'm talking about? Like a fur-saver with a clip?

I haven't seen any for sale, but you might be able to use a choke chain and a clip-- just clip through one ring, and one link of the chain, instead of setting it up to slide.

(And if you find a good option for sale, please share, because I've also looked in vain for a collar that is chain and fastens in a non-adjustable way.)

 

[black_cat]

Imho, all dogs should be muzzle trained. Deacon is trained dog obvious reasons but also for emergencies.

I agree but my parents would be like “FiNn DoEsN'T nEeD A mUzZLe OnLY AGrEsSiVe DoGS nEeD mUzZLeS"

I just looked that up. I would think a breeder would do that, if they were serious about having good pups and selling them.

yep!

 

[black_cat]

I'm obsessed with conformation events lol

me

 

[black_cat]

https://www.puppyspot.com/ , which allows you to find available puppies, find one that specifically matches your needs, and transport them to you. They screen breeders before allowing them to list puppies (only around 10% of breeders are accepted), and all dogs have health tested parents.


It's heckin expensive but my parents are willing to pay for it and I'm not complaining

can't believe I fell for that crap

 

[black_cat]

So they say--do you have a way to verify that?

Besides, "puppy mills" ARE breeders. They breed dogs, right?

Take a look at the standards for care that their breeders must follow:
https://www.puppyspot.com/puppyspot-standards

You can click the little text underneath each of their "breeder standard pillars" to get more details.
I click on "housing" and find this:
"The primary enclosure must be large enough so the dog(s) can sit, stand, lie down, and turn around comfortably with no overcrowding or physical constraints."
(If you saw dogs living in cages or crates of that size, even if they were let out for daily exercise, would you think it's a puppy mill?)



I can find a few other sites that do the same thing, and they ALL have cheaper puppies than puppyspot:

https://www.greenfieldpuppies.com/
They also talk about how good their breeders are, and how they don't approve of puppy mills, and how their puppies have a health guarantee. And they provide info to directly contact the breeder BEFORE you buy the puppy, because you buy directly from the breeder.

And their puppies are cheaper, too.

And greenfieldpuppies lets you claim stuff under their health guarantee if a vet diagnoses a problem within 30 days. Puppyspot insists you have a vet check within 3 days if you want to claim anything.


https://www.lancasterpuppies.com
They also have you directly contact the breeder.
They don't brag about checking out the breeders themselves, although they do ask people to report any problems.
And they specifically have a page on how to identify reputable breeders:
https://www.lancasterpuppies.com/how-identify-reputable-dog-breeders
(They recommend that you use that advice to check the breeders you contact through their site.)
They also talk about health guarantees--apparently most states legally require health guarantees, so ALL puppy websites have some form of guarantee.


https://www.pawrade.com
Also has a "no puppy mill" pledge, has a health guarantee. They handle the sale, instead of connecting you with the breeder. I clicked on some of their golden retriever puppies, and they already have microchips!


https://www.gooddog.com
This one's a little different, because they are listing by breeder instead of by puppy, and most of the Golden Retriever ones say they have a multiple-month wait time. I do see a few with puppies available now. Honestly, the wait time makes me wonder if they are dealing with better breeders than the others, but I don't know for sure.

Of course it also talks about how they screen for good breeders, and require health testing.


(I'm not in a position to recommend any of these, but most of them look pretty similar to me, if I just go by what their websites say. If I was considering buying from any of them, I would be doing a LOT more research, because at this instant I pretty much distrust them all.)


Some breeders would prefer to do their own screening, rather than trusting the company to do it for them. I suppose such breeders just won't be selling on that site. Which is part of why I might avoid the breeders who DO sell on that site.

I'm so sorry that I sassed you @NatJ , you were totally right about all of this

 

[black_cat]

Nope to everything.
'Sourced from breeders' does not mean anything to me. Any person with two dogs can and will call themselves a breeder.
After reading the website and the fine print, they don't require anything that makes the hallmark of an actual breeder.
Being 'exclusive' tells me nothing. It's well-documented that people love "rare"/"collectable"/"top percentage" stuff, and when they can't even say exactly what makes them top-percentage (besides the fact that the dogs are in livable conditions...?), it looks even worse.

You've got puppies going for $3-$4k, which is generally $1k over what most breeders will ask for pet quality dogs. So that's the website's cut, and that's assuming the breeder is doing their due diligence in health testing, temperament testing, and breed planning.
By this website's standards, I could breed two dogs, keep them in bare bones 'clean' conditions and make at least several hundred dollars off each pup, if not a thousand or more.

A good breeder would not need to use a website like this, because their waitlist would be full.

NatJ also makes good points.

Also sorry that I sassed you, you were also right.