Cochin Bantams and Frizzle Cochin Bantams!!

[DuckRaiser]

Yeah, I NEVER want to breed a frazzle, what a horrible thing to do!

 

[TeaChick]

I agree. It is a horrible and usually short life for a chicken. They have so many problems. My two frazzles were bought as frizzles from a hatchery. The blurb on them said I could expect 1/2 frizzle and 1/2 smooth. I got three frazzles and one frizzle out of four. This year's blurb on frizzled Cochins say 1/4 smooth, so every pen is frizzle to frizzle breeding.

Lately, I am reading on this forum from multiple members that frazzles suffer pain when handled because of their delicate feathers/skin. Is everyone just repeating my anecdotal observations, or is there some other reference everyone is referring to? I would suggest that if you are only using my observations, that it not be passed off as fact. It is just my conclusions from observing two frazzled birds, and I could be completely wrong. Perhaps my two frazzles are just a bit more spooky or difficult to handle than other birds. I do not know for a fact that my handling is causing the birds some discomfort.

I will be careful not to do this. I remember reading what you had said that you think that it seems like it might be hurting them, but that it's so hard to tell b/c chickens try to hide when they're in pain, etc. Now that you mention this, I can see the progression of those things you said being repeated on here causing them to seem more and more like facts. I'm glad you posted this. I'll be more careful. Thanks!!! =)
We don't want your two frazzles to become an old wives' tale. I'm too young to be part of an old wives' tale.

Actually, frizzle is not a dominant gene, but is incompletely dominant. If it were dominant, a double copy frizzle (a frazzle) would be indistinguishable from a frizzle (a single copy of the frizzle gene paired with a smooth, normal feather gene. But, frazzles (FF) are very different from frizzles (Ff). There are also modifying genes that suppress the expression of the frizzle gene, which can complicate it.

I see. Yeah, that does make sense. I admit my explanation was too simple. I think it got the point across, but it was so simple as to be inaccurate (at least technically speaking).
Thank you. =)

My chickens will eat ANYTHING! Heck, they'll eat animals guts! LOL!

Mine have yours beat:
Mine will eat canned condensed alphabet soup.

They'll eat anything and everything we put in the compost; it's like the chicken Candy store. lol

JK about "mine have yours beat".

 

[DuckRaiser]

I will be careful not to do this.  I remember reading what you had said that you think that it seems like it might be hurting them, but that it's so hard to tell b/c chickens try to hide when they're in pain, etc.  Now that you mention this, I can see the progression of those things you said being repeated on here causing them to seem more and more like facts.  I'm glad you posted this.  I'll be more careful.  Thanks!!! =)
We don't want your two frazzles to become an old wives' tale.  I'm too young to be part of an old wives' tale.

I see.  Yeah, that does make sense.  I admit my explanation was too simple.  I think it got the point across, but it was so simple as to be inaccurate (at least technically speaking).
Thank you. =)



Mine have yours beat:
Mine will eat canned condensed alphabet soup.   They'll eat anything and everything we put in the compost; it's like the chicken Candy store. lol

JK about "mine have yours beat".  

My chickens also like run over frogXD

 

[Black Cochin Bantams]

I agree. It is a horrible and usually short life for a chicken. They have so many problems. My two frazzles were bought as frizzles from a hatchery. The blurb on them said I could expect 1/2 frizzle and 1/2 smooth. I got three frazzles and one frizzle out of four. This year's blurb on frizzled Cochins say 1/4 smooth, so every pen is frizzle to frizzle breeding.

Lately, I am reading on this forum from multiple members that frazzles suffer pain when handled because of their delicate feathers/skin. Is everyone just repeating my anecdotal observations, or is there some other reference everyone is referring to? I would suggest that if you are only using my observations, that it not be passed off as fact. It is just my conclusions from observing two frazzled birds, and I could be completely wrong. Perhaps my two frazzles are just a bit more spooky or difficult to handle than other birds. I do not know for a fact that my handling is causing the birds some discomfort.

Basic Breeding and Genetics

Frizzles are not always frizzled, which is very important to remember, but they are all still frizzles nonetheless. When two exhibition Frizzles are mated 25% will be smooth feathered, 50% frizzled (of varying quality) and the remaining 25% will be extremely frizzled.
The Frizzled birds are self explanatory, as they have frizzled plumage as per the breed standard, although the degree of curl will vary from just lifted, to those exhibition quality birds with a good curl towards the head.
Smooth feathered frizzles, whilst having no curl whatsoever are very important in the breeding pen. This is because after breeding frizzle-to-frizzle for a few years the feather quality of the frizzled birds can deteriorate, so that the feathers (especially the flight and tail feathers) become very narrow and brittle. Introducing a smooth feathered frizzle into the breeding pen every now and again will combat this, ensuring the feathers of the frizzzled birds remain soft and broad.
Extremely frizzled birds are known by many names; pipe-cleaners, wirey's etc. They are the birds which have recieved a double dose of the frizzled gene (see punnet square below) making their feathers extremely narrow and curled.



FF

Ff
ff
FF 100% FF 50% FF 50% Ff 100% Ff
Ff 50% FF 50% Ff 25% FF 50% Ff 25% ff 50% Ff 50% ff
ff 100% Ff 50% Ff 50% ff 100% ff

(F denotes dominant frizzle gene)

• FF - extreme frizzle
• Ff - frizzle
• ff - smooth feathered

 

[TeaChick]

My chickens also like run over frogXD

Ewwww!!!
Okay, yours win!!! lol

 

[TeaChick]

Basic Breeding and Genetics

Frizzles are not always frizzled, which is very important to remember, but they are all still frizzles nonetheless. When two exhibition Frizzles are mated 25% will be smooth feathered, 50% frizzled (of varying quality) and the remaining 25% will be extremely frizzled.
The Frizzled birds are self explanatory, as they have frizzled plumage as per the breed standard, although the degree of curl will vary from just lifted, to those exhibition quality birds with a good curl towards the head.
Smooth feathered frizzles, whilst having no curl whatsoever are very important in the breeding pen. This is because after breeding frizzle-to-frizzle for a few years the feather quality of the frizzled birds can deteriorate, so that the feathers (especially the flight and tail feathers) become very narrow and brittle. Introducing a smooth feathered frizzle into the breeding pen every now and again will combat this, ensuring the feathers of the frizzzled birds remain soft and broad.
Extremely frizzled birds are known by many names; pipe-cleaners, wirey's etc. They are the birds which have recieved a double dose of the frizzled gene (see punnet square below) making their feathers extremely narrow and curled.



FF

Ff
ff
FF 100% FF 50% FF 50% Ff 100% Ff
Ff 50% FF 50% Ff 25% FF 50% Ff 25% ff 50% Ff 50% ff
ff 100% Ff 50% Ff 50% ff 100% ff

(F denotes dominant frizzle gene)

• FF - extreme frizzle
• Ff - frizzle
• ff - smooth feathered

I just typed a bunch of stuff and then realized it all comes down to this:
Now, I'm really confused.

 

[FrizzleLover200]

I want to find a Frizzle Hen in Indiana.... dose anyone have one?

I LOVE them!

 

[DuckRaiser]

Ewwww!!! I knew it. My chickens are the most disgusting thing everXD
Okay, yours win!!! lol

 

[mindylee]

Ewwww!!!
Okay, yours win!!! lol

I know this sounds cruel but when I find baby pinkie mice I toss them in and watch mine fight over them.

 

[DuckRaiser]

I know this sounds cruel but when I find baby pinkie mice I toss them in and watch mine fight over them.

WHEN IT IS ALIVE???!!?