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The Black one will most likely cover and you'll have all Black chicks. This is not the time for a genetics lesson. Chicken color is incredibly complex and it would be best if you just prepared yourself for whatever you get.If you use the frizzle you'll get 50% frizzle of whatever color. Do not mate 2 frizzles.
Ok, sounds good! I'll just see what happens. That is if she goes broody. With a few of my big girls eggs and a few of hers. Can I ask one question? How many eggs can a bantam cover. I hear they can make them selfs quite puffy . Thank you very much for your information I really appreciate it! And yes no time for a lesson on genetics. Is there a Dummy book for breeding and genetics you would recommend ?
 
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Ok, sounds good! I'll just see what happens. That is if she goes broody. With a few of my big girls eggs and a few of hers. Can I ask one question? How many eggs can a bantam cover. I hear they can make them selfs quite puffy . Thank you very much for your information I really appreciate it! And yes no time for a lesson on genetics. Is there a Dummy book for breeding and genetics you would recommend ?
Angie please forgive me if this is too blunt or sounds rude, but there is no such thing as a dummy working with the genetics of chickens. I've bred and exhibited numerous species and breeds of animals and yes, even flowers. I can say with no hesitation or qualification, there is NOTHING as difficult as the genetics of chickens. Unless you want to become a student and are determined to breed and raise a particular variety or breed of chicken, I suggest you forget about purchasing any books on the matter as it will be a terrible waste of money. As I sit here trying to recall how I got from point A to this point, I can't tell you. Only to say that it has been what feels like a very long road and I haven't even been at it very long compared to many other major breeders.If you'd like to get just a taste of what would be in store for you if you were to start breeding chickens, go to the library and take out or request a small book by Brian Reeder titled, "An Introduction to Form and Feathering of the Domestic Fowl." It's about as simple as it gets and that's not saying much. If you find that you are falling in love with the science and can't wait to get started breeding and/or improving a particular chicken, then I would look for a breed club and join. For me it's Cochins International because I'm passionate about Cochins and have picked the variety called Birchen to bang my head against.
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Sorry I couldn't give you an A B C answer, but it is a true answer. Best of luck and let me know if you want to get on the band wagon.
 
I have a pair of red Cochins that I picked up and would like to work with. I there another color that I can breed them to to improve type? I was thinking black but know very little about the genetics of red and haven't had time to consult my references. I do have a nice black hen. The only other color I thought about was buff. Which would be better
 
Angie please forgive me if this is too blunt or sounds rude, but there is no such thing as a dummy working with the genetics of chickens. I've bred and exhibited numerous species and breeds of animals and yes, even flowers. I can say with no hesitation or qualification, there is NOTHING as difficult as the genetics of chickens. Unless you want to become a student and are determined to breed and raise a particular variety or breed of chicken, I suggest you forget about purchasing any books on the matter as it will be a terrible waste of money. As I sit here trying to recall how I got from point A to this point, I can't tell you. Only to say that it has been what feels like a very long road and I haven't even been at it very long compared to many other major breeders.If you'd like to get just a taste of what would be in store for you if you were to start breeding chickens, go to the library and take out or request a small book by Brian Reeder titled, "An Introduction to Form and Feathering of the Domestic Fowl." It's about as simple as it gets and that's not saying much. If you find that you are falling in love with the science and can't wait to get started breeding and/or improving a particular chicken, then I would look for a breed club and join. For me it's Cochins International because I'm passionate about Cochins and have picked the variety called Birchen to bang my head against.  :he
Sorry I couldn't give you an A B C answer, but it is a true answer. Best of luck and let me know if you want to get on the band wagon.
Oh no, you are not being rude at all! Just being honest. Best policy ! My grandpa had a huge chicken farm 6,000 chickens. I wish he was still around! I have learned so much from BYC already. I completely understand this is a science. A science that will take me years to learn as well . I appreciate your help and input and hope I can reach out to you in the future? This will be my first run on a broody hen and I'm excited but nervous. However I'm sure I will learn from my errors. As I'm sure you did as well. I'll give it a few months and re poust pics maybe from there you could give me your best thought on whichCochin Roo to bread with mille ? I really appreciate your help ! I can't wait to see what spring has in store
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Oh no, you are not being rude at all! Just being honest. Best policy ! My grandpa had a huge chicken farm 6,000 chickens. I wish he was still around! I have learned so much from BYC already. I completely understand this is a science. A science that will take me years to learn as well . I appreciate your help and input and hope I can reach out to you in the future? This will be my first run on a broody hen and I'm excited but nervous. However I'm sure I will learn from my errors. As I'm sure you did as well. I'll give it a few months and re poust pics maybe from there you could give me your best thought on whichCochin Roo to bread with mille ? I really appreciate your help ! I can't wait to see what spring has in store
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Angie if your Grandfather had 6000 chickens, I'm sure he learned a lot over the years and would have had a lot to share with you. However, I would also imagine that he would not tolerate the coddling that we give to our pet birds now a days. I only have around 50 birds and there comes a point after doctoring numerous birds that you are actually causing more problems than helping. I heard experienced breeders tout the evils of over medicating and until I began to experience the problems associated with it, I persisted. When I finally stopped, my flock began to improve in health and I lost fewer and fewer birds to illness. That's not to say I didn't lose several birds at first, but honestly they needed to go. If they're not healthy enough to make it then they have no place in a breeding program. Tough pill to swallow. I don't mean to digress, but only to give this example of some of the more difficult choices that breeders need to make. I also know that many of the "old time" practices of managing a flock were ineffective and at times down right pointless. My mother at 93 has told of things my Grandmother did to manage her birds, i.e., she would run a stiff blade of grass down the throats of birds that had the gapes. Of course we know now what causes this and how to cure it, but things were often done out of ignorance or desperation. I'm glad I'm raising birds now rather than then.
Enough of proselytizing and my apologies if I sounded preachy. You are absolutely right about this being a science and unless you're in the right location of the country you'll find there are no poultry vets, so you're going to be out there on your own (sort of) learning how to best care for your birds and what can be cured and what can't.
As far as breeding is concerned, you'll find as you go along, your goals will change and you'll make decisions to support that at that time. IF you stay with chickens, you will make it as intensely scientific or simple as you want, and I will be happy to offer what I know on the subject. It may be a lot, or very little depending on the issue. I don't spend much time on BYC anymore, although I can tell you they were a God send when I first started. I don't know what I would have done without them, but as I mentioned we make decisions as we go along and my goals changed and refined over time and I now spend most of my time on a breed site. (Probably TOO MUCH time.) That is what they warn about Facebook isn't it,
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somewhat addictive. Hope you stay with it, this fancy needs all the committed chicken lovers it can get.
 
I have a pair of red Cochins that I picked up and would like to work with. I there another color that I can breed them to to improve type? I was thinking black but know very little about the genetics of red and haven't had time to consult my references. I do have a nice black hen. The only other color I thought about was buff. Which would be better

This is my question too!

Getting blacks and hoping for someone knowledgeable with the red color to chime in on this issue.

They are very pretty, but need type improvement.
 
This is my question too!

Getting blacks and hoping for someone knowledgeable with the red color to chime in on this issue.

They are very pretty, but need type improvement.
I am not a Red breeder, but see a lot of the post about breeding Reds in the discussions about them on the FB page Rare & Parti-Colored Cochin Preservation & Advancement
I believe the Black is the better choice, unless your Buff's typed is superior. I would think you'd get the help you need on the above FB page. It's an open group so please feel free to join us.
 
I have a pair of red Cochins that I picked up and would like to work with. I there another color that I can breed them to to improve type? I was thinking black but know very little about the genetics of red and haven't had time to consult my references. I do have a nice black hen. The only other color I thought about was buff. Which would be better


If your interested there is a Red Cochin Breeders page on fb. After my comment here there were pictures posted on that fb page of birds that are from black/red crossings. And some description of how many generation and what first crosses may look like. Don't know if it might help.
 

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