Cochin color breeding questions

[Christina.Rich]

With recessive genes it takes two copies to be expressed.
If a bird has just one copy it carries it but doesn't show it.
That is referred to as being split for that recessive gene.
Saying its split for a gene lets you know its carrying one copy of it sight unseen so it can pop up in later breeding with the right match.

So, if I'm understanding correctly I will get the following with the following breeding's:

Mottled hen x Splash Cockerel - Blues
Mottled hen x White Cockerel - White?
Black Hen x White Cockerel - Black
Black Hen x Splash Cockerel - Blues
White Hen x Splash Cockerel - Blues


Am I right?? lol

 

[nicalandia]

So, if I'm understanding correctly I will get the following with the following breeding's:

Mottled hen x Splash Cockerel - Blues
Mottled hen x White Cockerel - White?
Black Hen x White Cockerel - Black
Black Hen x Splash Cockerel - Blues
White Hen x Splash Cockerel - Blues


Am I right?? lol

Mottled hen x White cockerel assuming that it's recessive white the resulting cross should be all black since mottled(mo/mo) and recessive white(c/c) are not allelelic and will produce Mo+/mo and C+/c E/eb? birds that will be mostly black and perhaps leak some ground color(silver or gold) unless the recessive white cockerel is hiding mottling under the white(recessive and dominant white will hide many patterns like mottling and barring at least on the White Leghorns I have worked with)

 

[Cluckeryduckery]

Mottled hen x Splash Cockerel
Blue split for (carries one gene for but is hidden) mottled
Mottled hen x White Cockerel
Black split for mottled and recessive white
Black Hen x White Cockerel
Black split for recessive white
Black Hen x Splash Cockerel
Blue
White Hen x Splash Cockerel
Blue split for recessive white

That's assuming the white is recessive white. Every white cochin I've had was recessive white.
That's also assuming the white is on a straight black bird. RW can hide about everything so its really up in the air to you breed it enough to see.
Most of the ones I've had were on black with at least one on blue.

Yea know this is an old thread but I cannot find anything else… wondering if you know what the following could produce…

Crele x Millie
Crele x Splash
Splash x Millie

 

[NatJ]

Yea know this is an old thread but I cannot find anything else… wondering if you know what the following could produce…

Crele x Millie
Crele x Splash
Splash x Millie

For future reference: it usually works better to start a new thread for your question, rather than trying to add it to an existing one. That way each thread has one topic, and it's easier to understand.

Splash x Mille Fleur should give blue, with maybe a bit of red or other color leaking through in places.

Crele x Mille Fleur should give some kind of red-and-black pattern. It will not have the white mottling. If the father was crele, all chicks will have white barring. If the mother was crele, the sons will have white barring and the daughters will not.

Crele x Splash should give blue chicks, with maybe a bit of red or other color leaking through in places. If the father is crele, they will all have white barring. If the mother was crele, the sons will have white barring and the daughters will not.

The above predictions are for adult colors. As chicks, they might all have some extra white in various places (tips of feathers, or even entire feathers.) The extra white should go away as they grow up.

 

[Cluckeryduckery]

For future reference: it usually works better to start a new thread for your question, rather than trying to add it to an existing one. That way each thread has one topic, and it's easier to understand.

Splash x Mille Fleur should give blue, with maybe a bit of red or other color leaking through in places.

Crele x Mille Fleur should give some kind of red-and-black pattern. It will not have the white mottling. If the father was crele, all chicks will have white barring. If the mother was crele, the sons will have white barring and the daughters will not.

Crele x Splash should give blue chicks, with maybe a bit of red or other color leaking through in places. If the father is crele, they will all have white barring. If the mother was crele, the sons will have white barring and the daughters will not.

The above predictions are for adult colors. As chicks, they might all have some extra white in various places (tips of feathers, or even entire feathers.) The extra white should go away as they grow up.

Will do a new thread next time, thanks for your answer! I have a crele roo, a Millie roo, and a splash pair, just trying to decide if I should blend & keep one rooster or multiple flocks (for breeding and selling)

 

[YardMoa]

Will do a new thread next time, thanks for your answer! I have a crele roo, a Millie roo, and a splash pair, just trying to decide if I should blend & keep one rooster or multiple flocks (for breeding and selling)

Are those the only 4 cochins that you have? If so, aquire a good quality black. Bred to splash all the chicks will be blue, and breeding blue to black will get you both colors.

Splash to splash will breed more splash, but it's not a recognized color. If you add black to the mix, you'll be adding a recognized color and able to breed a second color (blue).

 

[Cluckeryduckery]

Are those the only 4 cochins that you have? If so, aquire a good quality black. Bred to splash all the chicks will be blue, and breeding blue to black will get you both colors.

Splash to splash will breed more splash, but it's not a recognized color. If you add black to the mix, you'll be adding a recognized color and able to breed a second color (blue).

 

[Cluckeryduckery]

Yes those are the only 4, and the offspring of the crele x Millie …. Here is a pic

 

[YardMoa]

Ooh... it will be very interesting to see how her pattern develops. For now she looks like what passes for crele in cochins.

In bantam cochins "Crele" is usually barred partridge. If you like the look of the rooster, you could get him a partridge hen. Breeding him to his daughters will get you more double barred males. It is not a recognized color in cochins.

Mille fleur in cochins varies quite a bit. If you use it or this pullet in breeding crele you'll have to contend with recessive mottling showing up in the line down the road, as well as columbian restrictor. This pullet should be heterozygous for both. Certainly some interesting possibilities for a breeding project from them.

 

[Cluckeryduckery]

Ooh... it will be very interesting to see how her pattern develops. For now she looks like what passes for crele in cochins.

In bantam cochins "Crele" is usually barred partridge. If you like the look of the rooster, you could get him a partridge hen. Breeding him to his daughters will get you more double barred males. It is not a recognized color in cochins.

Mille fleur in cochins varies quite a bit. If you use it or this pullet in breeding crele you'll have to contend with recessive mottling showing up in the line down the road, as well as columbian restrictor. This pullet should be heterozygous for both. Certainly some interesting possibilities for a breeding project from them.

How would you recommend I move forward with that? I’d love to get into a breeding project with them, thinking breeding the offspring back to the crele roo?