Cochin Thread!!!

[Bo Garrett]

Eighteen day old chicks in the shell can make it for a long time without heat. Go ahead and place them in a basket with a heat lamp over them, positioned where the surface temperature is about 99 degrees and there is a good possibility you'll still get chicks. When I was a young boy I would try anything to save a chick and this method worked time after time. I also used my mother's oven which also worked but I wouldn't recommend that method.

Bo

 

[lilcrow]

Eighteen day old chicks in the shell can make it for a long time without heat. Go ahead and place them in a basket with a heat lamp over them, positioned where the surface temperature is about 99 degrees and there is a good possibility you'll still get chicks. When I was a young boy I would try anything to save a chick and this method worked time after time. I also used my mother's oven which also worked but I wouldn't recommend that method.

Bo

Amazing! Thanks for that info Bo, I'm sure there are a lot of us that are glad to know that.

 

[mibirder]

All -

I could be mistaken but I think I read that LF Cochins and Bantam Cochins are actually two separate breeds - not just two sizes of the same breed ( hence the Cochin and pekin names in Europe). If that is the case, what are the upsides and downsides of crossing them together, besides the obvious size difference. I'm guessing that their are issues with stance as well as other issues of type.

As an example, say the goal was to create a LF color variety only found in bantams. It might be possible to create the color in LF using the same breeding plan as with the bantam variety or to cross the bantam variety to LF and scale the size up eventually. In the second case, what would the breeding plan look like in terms of type as well as color?

Dave

 

[lilcrow]

Hope everyone has a wonderful Thanksgiving day.

 

[Georgia Boy 1970]

Happy Thanksgiving.Just wanted to share some pics of my frizzle cochin.Not show quality.Just pet quality.

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[AndyCap]

Eighteen day old chicks in the shell can make it for a long time without heat. Go ahead and place them in a basket with a heat lamp over them, positioned where the surface temperature is about 99 degrees and there is a good possibility you'll still get chicks. When I was a young boy I would try anything to save a chick and this method worked time after time. I also used my mother's oven which also worked but I wouldn't recommend that method.

Bo

That is amazing. Thank you, i will see what i can do to save them.

 

[AndyCap]

i just went to examine the eggs in closer detail and found mites. I am so upset that i let the poor girl down by not checking her nest thoroughly and more often. No wonder the poor thing didnt want to sit for the last 2 days. I feel gutted, and hope this lesson i learnt serves others.

i cleaned the eggs gently made a temporary nest and the girl sat straight back on them. I gently dusted her for mites too.

After everything that's happened i dont expect the eggs to hatch and i am glad i have learnt this lesson early on. I just feel bad that she has put so much effort in and i let her down.

 

[dak]

All -
I could be mistaken but I think I read that LF Cochins and Bantam Cochins are actually two separate breeds - not just two sizes of the same breed ( hence the Cochin and pekin names in Europe). If that is the case, what are the upsides and downsides of crossing them together, besides the obvious size difference. I'm guessing that their are issues with stance as well as other issues of type.
As an example, say the goal was to create a LF color variety only found in bantams. It might be possible to create the color in LF using the same breeding plan as with the bantam variety or to cross the bantam variety to LF and scale the size up eventually. In the second case, what would the breeding plan look like in terms of type as well as color?
Dave

I think part of that would be determined by the color you are after. I considered doing this with the Self-Blue bantams, in which case, I would breed a SB bantam to a LF Black and breed the offspring back together to get %25 SB chicks, then breed back to LF Black.....

I was told it would probably take about 6 generations. Obviously size and type would be selection criteria. It was suggested to me to use a SB bantam male over a Black LF female to take advantage of the LF egg size.

 

[Black Cochin Bantams]

All -
I could be mistaken but I think I read that LF Cochins and Bantam Cochins are actually two separate breeds - not just two sizes of the same breed ( hence the Cochin and pekin names in Europe). If that is the case, what are the upsides and downsides of crossing them together, besides the obvious size difference. I'm guessing that their are issues with stance as well as other issues of type.
As an example, say the goal was to create a LF color variety only found in bantams. It might be possible to create the color in LF using the same breeding plan as with the bantam variety or to cross the bantam variety to LF and scale the size up eventually. In the second case, what would the breeding plan look like in terms of type as well as color?
Dave

What variety are you thinking about?

 

[mibirder]

Craig -

Of course one I'd consider would be the Lemon Blue ( yes, I'm getting obessive/complusive about the color) in LF. Interestingly I have a couple of pullets from Jamie Matts that are BR in a medium size (and possibly getting a male also medium sized). These are way bigger than the bantam BRs I have for my bantam LB project which is ok as mine could use a little size boost. However, they could be useful in creating LF LB and/or Silve Blues as well.

The second variety I hear lots of wishes for are LF Mille Fleur Cochins. Genetically this would require LF Buff Columbian according to most breeding programs along with Mottled (no problem). I guess one could go from BuffxColumbian cross to get the buff columbian genetics needed.

In both of these cases, an alternative route would be to breed up the size of current bantams in the appropriate variety. However, I wonder if the potential issue of being different breeds and therefore slightly different standards could become a problem. If the standards of LF and Bantam cochins consider they are different breeds and therefore slightly different standard types, going the "bigger bantam" variety may not create a LF in that variety - just a way bigger bantam.

So I guess my original question would be, is a big cochin bred from upsizing bantams just a big bantam or would it be a LF? I realize that LB, SB, and MF are not recognized LF colors at this time (nor MF or SB in bantams either for that matter).

Dave