Cochin Thread!!!

[ki4got]

I know these are not full cochin but their 50%. I'm more interested in the color,I believe they are paint.the mom was a bantam golden sexlink and dad brown red cochin. Here are some pics sorry not good pics took them with my phone.








I have three chicks, if they stay white withe black spots would it be considered paint?

I believe paint (only found in silkies that I know of) is an offshoot of the splash mutation where they just have larger dark splotches instead of the 'splashes' that's normal.

so no, they're just mixed breeds with color 'leakage' which is common for heterozygous whites.

 

[lilcrow]

actually, I brought it up when the topic of crele came up (on another thread I think) last year or the year before... but basically got shut down because I was talking nonsense. ok guys do what you want, but it won't be RIGHT... I have contemplated it in other varieties, like the Dorking, but realize that the APA colors need way more help than a project's going to give them, so i'm concentrating on bringing the silver grey and red back to what they should be, before I try adding barring to the red.

I had attempted a discussion on Crele also and couldn't seem to get across the same point. I tried to describe the pattern, then referring to it as duckwing and never was able to get the discussion going about the wing pattern. I finally gave up and as I couldn't justify all of the trash that a program like this would create decided to abandon the project. I think it would be incredible to have the true Crele pattern in a Cochin, but I can't even fathom the years and number of birds one would need to create and discard just to finally get the first true duckwing.

 

[moomoodiddy]

I believe paint (only found in silkies that I know of) is an offshoot of the splash mutation where they just have larger dark splotches instead of the 'splashes' that's normal.

so no, they're just mixed breeds with color 'leakage' which is common for heterozygous whites.

actually paint and splash are completely different this bird could be a silkie mix the paint gene in silkies is a dominant white that has leakage wholes in the color so when breed to another color shows through in splashs it is a mutation from double blue breedings canceling out each other just like when breeding untrue colors

 

[ki4got]

Quote: ok i'm sorry but that really didn't make any sense...

dominant white when heterozygous DOES allow leakage, that's what I was saying before.

but I have no ide what you mean by double blue breeding. a 'double blue' IMO would be a homozygous blue which IS splash... but I have no idea what you mean by canceling each other out.

'when breeding untrue colors'. um... no clue, again. sorry.

regarding paint silkies, I found this...
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so back to the initial question of a half cochin and half gold sexlink producing a paint, my response is still the same. no I doubt it's a paint. what they look like are heterozygous dominant whites with color leakage. that occurs with nearly every dominant white crossed with another color. leghorns, sexlinks, whatever. I had a sultan roo breed a dark brahma hen and got a few of these.

the paint mutation (so far) seems to be limited to the silkies at this time.

 

[Indigosands]

Hello everyone, I am new to cochins, I hatched these sweeties from a friend's eggs. What would you call my little guy's coloration? He's a doll! The one in the middle:

 

[ki4got]

Hello everyone, I am new to cochins, I hatched these sweeties from a friend's eggs. What would you call my little guy's coloration? He's a doll! The one in the middle:

I would say he looks mottled more than anything else...

 

[ihavechickens2]

ok i'm sorry but that really didn't make any sense... 

dominant white when heterozygous DOES allow leakage, that's what I was saying before.

but I have no ide what you mean by double blue breeding. a 'double blue' IMO would be a homozygous blue which IS splash... but I have no idea what you mean by canceling each other out.

'when breeding untrue colors'. um... no clue, again. sorry.

regarding paint silkies, I found this...
Quote:
so back to the initial question of a half cochin and half gold sexlink producing a paint, my response is still the same. no I doubt it's a paint. what they look like are heterozygous dominant whites with color leakage. that occurs with nearly every dominant white crossed with another color. leghorns, sexlinks, whatever.  I had a sultan roo breed a dark brahma hen and got a few of these.

the paint mutation (so far) seems to be limited to the silkies at this time.

Thanks for the response everyone, I believe I'm just gonna breed them together and back to my black Cochins and see whats I get. I'll try and keep y'all updated as they mature and have offspring.

 

[AndyCap]

I had attempted a discussion on Crele also and couldn't seem to get across the same point. I tried to describe the pattern, then referring to it as duckwing and never was able to get the discussion going about the wing pattern. I finally gave up and as I couldn't justify all of the trash that a program like this would create decided to abandon the project. I think it would be incredible to have the true Crele pattern in a Cochin, but I can't even fathom the years and number of birds one would need to create and discard just to finally get the first true duckwing.

actually, I brought it up when the topic of crele came up (on another thread I think) last year or the year before... but basically got shut down because I was talking nonsense. ok guys do what you want, but it won't be RIGHT... I have contemplated it in other varieties, like the Dorking, but realize that the APA colors need way more help than a project's going to give them, so i'm concentrating on bringing the silver grey and red back to what they should be, before I try adding barring to the red.

Which bird are you guys talking about that displays duckwing like characteristics?

 

[Indigosands]

I would say he looks mottled more than anything else...

Thank you. I think I should take a better picture. He does have pale gold on his hackle and saddle feathers, I think that would eliminate mottle, wouldn't it?

 

[AndyCap]

i thought white Silkies were gold based (s+), that is why the cross with a sussex female give you the "gold top" sex linked massive broodies so prized in the uk. Is that covered by recessive white? if so that is a darn good job of hiding it.