Cochin Thread!!!

[rnorris1234]

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Try Doug Bishop he has excellent buffs and has done very well with them over the years.....

http://bishopsbuffs.cochinsrule.com/

I am going to look into that person. Does anyone else have Buffs? Also are ideals buffs terrible? Any pics?

I do have a pair of Blue bantam cochins from Ideal, so I can't really speak for their buff. The blues are pretty birds, but I can really tell the difference between them and some I have from breeders. Mine are both still young ( about 4 and a half months old) so they will fill in as they grow, I am sure. I guess it really depends on what you are looking for - some pretty birds to enjoy in your back yard; or to breed, or to show. My birds from Ideal are pretty and I enjoy them, (I am certainly not a hatchery snob) but there is a difference in the overall look of the bird.
I don't know if you've ever tried incubating eggs, but I've had pretty good luck with a homemade incubator that cost me about $10 to set up. You can probably find some good eggs that you can incubate yourself and get a breeder quality chick for about the same cost as a hatchery chick (there is some risk in eggs and about a 50% hatch would be normal). Plus it's super fun to watch them hatch .
Anyway, I hope you find what you need.

Good luck.

Robert

 

[cochinman2005]

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Cochin Results
Three Cochins on Champions Row

Champion Asiatic, Reserve Champion Large Fowl of the Show and Overall Champion Cochin: White Hen by Tom Roebuck
Reserve Champion Asiatic: Buff Cockerel by William West
Champion Featherleg: Black Hen by Joe Mazur

223 bantams shown
BB was Black hen by Joe Mazur. This bird was Champion Featherleg.
RB was White hen by Joe Mazur.

Blacks (102)- BV Mazur and RV Cockerel by John Burgess
Whites (44)- BV and RV hens by Joe Mazur
Buffs- (24)- BV and RV Cockerel and Pullet from Young Trio by Tom Roebuck
Blue- (4)- BV Linda Blackman and RV Judy Gantt
Mottled- (13)- BV and RV pullets by Judy Gantt
Partridge- (5)- BV hen Matt McCammon RV H by John Beauchamp
Barred- (3)- BV cockerel and RV pullet by Tom Roebuck
Brown Red- (3)- BV pullet John Burgess RV P Matt McCammon
Birchen- (5)- BV and RV John Burgess
Blue Mottled- (5) BV Judy Gantt and RV non member
Splash (2)- Non member BV and RV
Red (1)- BV non member
Golden Laced- BV and RV non member
White Frizzle- (3)- Jamie Matts BV and RV
Mottled Frizzle- (1) Judy Gantt
Buff Frizzle- (1) Non member
Black Frizzle (5)- BV Jamie Matts and RV non member
Black Frizzle was best frizzle shown.

Large Fowl: (34 shown)
Black (15) Bill West BV and RV
White (7) Tom Roebuck BV Hen and RV Pullet. The hen was Champion Asiatic and Reserve Large Fowl of the Show as well as Overall Champion Cochin.
Buff (8) William West BV and RV. The BV Cockerel was Reserve Asiatic.
Blue (1) non member
Mottled (1) non member
Buff Frizzle (2) not judged as variety

 

[Coopa Cabana]

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Cochin Results
Three Cochins on Champions Row
https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/15970_roebuckreservelfcolumbus2010.jpg
Champion Asiatic, Reserve Champion Large Fowl of the Show and Overall Champion Cochin: White Hen by Tom Roebuck
Reserve Champion Asiatic: Buff Cockerel by William West
Champion Featherleg: Black Hen by Joe Mazur

223 bantams shown
BB was Black hen by Joe Mazur. This bird was Champion Featherleg.
RB was White hen by Joe Mazur.

Blacks (102)- BV Mazur and RV Cockerel by John Burgess
Whites (44)- BV and RV hens by Joe Mazur
Buffs- (24)- BV and RV Cockerel and Pullet from Young Trio by Tom Roebuck
Blue- (4)- BV Linda Blackman and RV Judy Gantt
Mottled- (13)- BV and RV pullets by Judy Gantt
Partridge- (5)- BV hen Matt McCammon RV H by John Beauchamp
Barred- (3)- BV cockerel and RV pullet by Tom Roebuck
Brown Red- (3)- BV pullet John Burgess RV P Matt McCammon
Birchen- (5)- BV and RV John Burgess
Blue Mottled- (5) BV Judy Gantt and RV non member
Splash (2)- Non member BV and RV
Red (1)- BV non member
Golden Laced- BV and RV non member
White Frizzle- (3)- Jamie Matts BV and RV
Mottled Frizzle- (1) Judy Gantt
Buff Frizzle- (1) Non member
Black Frizzle (5)- BV Jamie Matts and RV non member
Black Frizzle was best frizzle shown.

Large Fowl: (34 shown)
Black (15) Bill West BV and RV
White (7) Tom Roebuck BV Hen and RV Pullet. The hen was Champion Asiatic and Reserve Large Fowl of the Show as well as Overall Champion Cochin.
Buff (8) William West BV and RV. The BV Cockerel was Reserve Asiatic.
Blue (1) non member
Mottled (1) non member
Buff Frizzle (2) not judged as variety

Congrats again to Tom and all the winners! We here at BYC are so lucky and thankful to have such great experienced members guiding us!

I posted this question over on C.I., but perhaps you can answer here. As Blue Mottled and Splash are not yet recognized Cochin varieties, how do they each win BV? I thought non-recognized colors were normally judged together as AOV. I'm still learning how the judging works.

 

[thecochincoop]

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BV means that they were the best of that color variety. Best AOV means the best of the other color varieties which would be the BV's competing together. Hope that makes sense

 

[Coopa Cabana]

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BV means that they were the best of that color variety. Best AOV means the best of the other color varieties which would be the BV's competing together. Hope that makes sense

I understand that, but Blue Mottled and Splash aren't recognized varieties yet for Bantam Cochins. I was told here by a local Cochin breeder that all non-recognized varieties always compete in AOV (and that BV (Best of Variety) is for recognized varieties only.

 

[cochinman2005]

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BV means that they were the best of that color variety. Best AOV means the best of the other color varieties which would be the BV's competing together. Hope that makes sense

True that Blue Mottled and Splash are not yet recognized but can be characterized as a variety, and as such can be entered by the variety name. For example, if someone had a Blue Laced Red Cochin, they could enter it as such. Sometimes, if there is no discernible way to characterize the color folks will enter a bird as AOV for variety, but even if you were to make up a variety (Blue Frosted Jubilee), you could show it as such.

As Cochincoop stated AOV really means "All Other Varieties," and is usually an award type rather than an entry. For instance Best AOV. Some shows offer Best AOV in a certain Breed. Case in point at Columbus, there were trophies for Best White Cochin Bantam, Best Black Cochin Bantam, and Best AOV Cochin Bantam, with the Black and White awards going to Joe Mazur, and the Best AOV Cochin was the BV Buff Cockerel by Tom Roebuck.

 

[Coopa Cabana]

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BV means that they were the best of that color variety. Best AOV means the best of the other color varieties which would be the BV's competing together. Hope that makes sense

True that Blue Mottled and Splash are not yet recognized but can be characterized as a variety, and as such can be entered by the variety name. For example, if someone had a Blue Laced Red Cochin, they could enter it as such. Sometimes, if there is no discernible way to characterize the color folks will enter a bird as AOV for variety, but even if you were to make up a variety (Blue Frosted Jubilee), you could show it as such.

As Cochincoop stated AOV really means "All Other Varieties," and is usually an award type rather than an entry. For instance Best AOV. Some shows offer Best AOV in a certain Breed. Case in point at Columbus, there were trophies for Best White Cochin Bantam, Best Black Cochin Bantam, and Best AOV Cochin Bantam, with the Black and White awards going to Joe Mazur, and the Best AOV Cochin was the BV Buff Cockerel by Tom Roebuck.

Thank you for the clarification. I was misinformed - but I'm also told that this may vary from show to show, depending on the entrants and the show officials. I was told that if entering my MF's, I would enter them as Mille Fleur Bantam Cochin, and that they would automatically be put into AOV (by show officials) as MF was not yet a recognized variety for Cochins. And once classed as AOV, they would then be judged against all other non-recognized colors, i.e. MF would compete against both the Blue Mottled and Splash in AOV. (And yes, I do know that non-recognized varieties cannot advance out of their variety class and cannot compete for BB.)

But what is new to me here is that you can make up a variety and show it. For instance, Calico Cochins - Calico is not (yet) a defined color variety for any breed yet (to my knowledge) - I know they could judge the bird for type, but how would they judge the plummage?

 

[dak]

"Blue frosted jubilee" sound PRETTY (Just kidding).

Thank you cochinman for the beautiful birds that arrived in immaculate condition this morning.

 

[cochinman2005]

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True that Blue Mottled and Splash are not yet recognized but can be characterized as a variety, and as such can be entered by the variety name. For example, if someone had a Blue Laced Red Cochin, they could enter it as such. Sometimes, if there is no discernible way to characterize the color folks will enter a bird as AOV for variety, but even if you were to make up a variety (Blue Frosted Jubilee), you could show it as such.

As Cochincoop stated AOV really means "All Other Varieties," and is usually an award type rather than an entry. For instance Best AOV. Some shows offer Best AOV in a certain Breed. Case in point at Columbus, there were trophies for Best White Cochin Bantam, Best Black Cochin Bantam, and Best AOV Cochin Bantam, with the Black and White awards going to Joe Mazur, and the Best AOV Cochin was the BV Buff Cockerel by Tom Roebuck.

Thank you for the clarification. I was misinformed - but I'm also told that this may vary from show to show, depending on the entrants and the show officials. I was told that if entering my MF's, I would enter them as Mille Fleur Bantam Cochin, and that they would automatically be put into AOV (by show officials) as MF was not yet a recognized variety for Cochins. And once classed as AOV, they would then be judged against all other non-recognized colors, i.e. MF would compete against both the Blue Mottled and Splash in AOV. (And yes, I do know that non-recognized varieties cannot advance out of their variety class and cannot compete for BB.)

But what is new to me here is that you can make up a variety and show it. For instance, Calico Cochins - Calico is not (yet) a defined color variety for any breed yet (to my knowledge) - I know they could judge the bird for type, but how would they judge the plummage?

Correct: Show management will handle the entries a bit differently from show to show so I can't speak to what you'd experience in your area. However, what I have generally seen is that if you enter a variety, lets say Mille Fleur, and there are 10 entries, the judge will mark a BV and an RV within that variety. Likewise if you entered say a Calico Cochin and there were 10 in that variety, you may have the judge enter a BV or RV, but you may not. He may place them base upon type alone, but since there is no standard for said variety, how would you really know which was the best.

 

[cochinman2005]

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You are very welcome. I hope they do well for you!