Cochin Thread!!!

[PsycoPeep]

Yes, I know you're not supposed to breed frizzle to frizzle.

 

[AndyCap]

ok I don't get something... I keep seeing people say 'smooth frizzle' and pictures of non-frizzled birds...

my understanding is that the frizzle is a dominant gene, so if they're not frizzled, then they don't carry it. and breeding 2 non-frizzled birds won't ever give you frizzles. so either they are frizzles or they're normal cochins.

casey, care to hop in here and verify this please?

Agreed, that is my understanding from what i have read. I am interested by people saying they are getting frizzled birds out of two smooth parents. Would like to see what is causing that.

The link that Craig supplied says the gene is incompletely dominant. But they are talking about a specific breed(frizzle) and not frizzle varieties of other breeds.

 

[Frizzled Pink]

Agreed, that is my understanding from what i have read. I am interested by people saying they are getting frizzled birds out of two smooth parents. Would like to see what is causing that.

The link that Craig supplied says the gene is incompletely dominant. But they are talking about a specific breed(frizzle) and not frizzle varieties of other breeds.

That threw me off too, i dont know of a specific breed that is called Frizzle here in the states, I know it only as a feather type so i am wondering if this is a "continental" difference issue. I would love to get some of the bigger frizzle breeders like Caseys take on this.

 

[joanie_maine]

Frizzle is a gene, a genetic trait - not a breed.

 

[ki4got]

Quote: incompletely dominant is correct for any frizzle... the term simply means that you will have one effect with a heterozygous bird, and a different effect with a homozygous bird. I use blue as a good example.

a homozygous frizzle is a bird with serious feather issues.
taken from another thread (not my birds)
https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/30714/breeding-frizzles
heterozygous on the left, homozygous on the right...

from what I understand, the birds can be healthy, but lacking any significant feathering, would not fare well in an outdoor situation or unheated coop in the winter.

 

[chick-among-us]

ok I don't get something... I keep seeing people say 'smooth frizzle' and pictures of non-frizzled birds... my understanding is that the frizzle is a dominant gene, so if they're not frizzled, then they don't carry it. and breeding 2 non-frizzled birds won't ever give you frizzles. so either they are frizzles or they're normal cochins. casey, care to hop in here and verify this please?

Agreed, that is my understanding from what i have read. I am interested by people saying they are getting frizzled birds out of two smooth parents. Would like to see what is causing that. The link that Craig supplied says the gene is incompletely dominant. But they are talking about a specific breed(frizzle) and not frizzle varieties of other breeds.

incompletely dominant is correct for any frizzle... the term simply means that you will have one effect with a heterozygous bird, and a different effect with a homozygous bird. I use blue as a good example. a homozygous frizzle is a bird with serious feather issues. taken from another thread (not my birds) https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/30714/breeding-frizzles heterozygous on the left, homozygous on the right... from what I understand, the birds can be healthy, but lacking any significant feathering, would not fare well in an outdoor situation or unheated coop in the winter.

Is the bird on the left considered a frazzle?

 

[AndyCap]

Frizzle is a gene, a genetic trait - not a breed.

maybe in the States. In the UK it is also a breed according to the link Craig supplied.

 

[CyndiChick]

Someone near us must have recently decided they want cochins... two of mine have been stolen along with half a bag of feed, a waterer, and a feed bowl and nesting box. They took my two black cochins, both of which were about four months old and had lovely shiny feathers and such sweet dispositions.

 

[ki4got]

Quote: incompletely dominant is correct for any frizzle... the term simply means that you will have one effect with a heterozygous bird, and a different effect with a homozygous bird. I use blue as a good example.

a homozygous frizzle is a bird with serious feather issues.
taken from another thread (not my birds)
https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/30714/breeding-frizzles
heterozygous on the left, homozygous on the right...



from what I understand, the birds can be healthy, but lacking any significant feathering, would not fare well in an outdoor situation or unheated coop in the winter.
Is the bird on the left considered a frazzle?
heterozygous is a regular frizzle (top now) and the homozygous is just messed up LOL don't know if that's a frazzle or whatever you want to call it... nekkid is more like it. LOL

 

[ki4got]

Quote: it's both... frizzle is a gene, and found in many breeds...

per the SOP:

"Frizzles may be shown in any breed and variety set forth in this Standard of Perfection. All sections of the bird should conform to the shape description of the breed. The plumage color should conform to the color plumage description of the breed and variety involved. A Frizzle of any recognized breed may compete for class champion as provided under the rules of the APA."