Cochin Thread!!!

[AndyCap]

Definitely no Lav or Choc in Barred. Shouldn't be any Mo either.I hate using the Calculator - I've never been able to get it to work for me.

Hi Coopa, Hope the gold laced are growing nicely!

That is what is shown in that list Nancy provided, the + symbol denoting an absence of the gene at that location. The plus symbol, as i am sure you know indicates a lack of a gene. So a wild type bird, would be + for all genes, as it does not contain any modifiers.

Barred should be Extended black based, and pure for Barring and Silver, as far as i know that is all.

So EE B/B and S/S for males and EE B/- and S/- for females.

 

[ki4got]

Quote: Definitely no Lav or Choc in Barred. Shouldn't be any Mo either.I hate using the Calculator - I've never been able to get it to work for me.

any time you see + next to a mutation, it means that's the wild type and not taken into consideration for the current bird... so basically the bird listed above is extended black (E) barred (B) and silver (S) the rest of the genes are presumed to be wild type, tho others may be hiding under the E...

any time you have a bird that has no red, only black and white, you can automatically know it carries silver.

 

[Jharper]

My hen thanks my hand is a predator at night and pecks it. Haha! I'm like, "Quit! I'm trying to help you!"

 

[CibolaChooks]

Thank you everbody. Its such a blessing to ask a question and get a straight forward answer.

 

[Coopa Cabana]

Quote: Definitely no Lav or Choc in Barred. Shouldn't be any Mo either.I hate using the Calculator - I've never been able to get it to work for me.

any time you see + next to a mutation, it means that's the wild type and not taken into consideration for the current bird... so basically the bird listed above is extended black (E) barred (B) and silver (S) the rest of the genes are presumed to be wild type, tho others may be hiding under the E...

any time you have a bird that has no red, only black and white, you can automatically know it carries silver.

Per Brian Reeder's "Intro to Color Forms of the Domestic Fowl", "Barred birds should also carry Co and K (slow-feathering), to make the barring distinct rather than "Cuckoo". They need to be S and ap+ to create a truly silvery-white bird. When s+ and/or Ap is present, the bird will be brassy, or look crele."

 

[moomoodiddy]

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lol chickens.. its their vulnerable spot if u dont want to startle them as much try talking and cooing to the whenever u r around and grab them from underneath their front

 

[moomoodiddy]

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ok can somebody give me an idoit rundown on how to read this i have tried the chicken calculator but i dont get all the symbols and all

 

[ki4got]

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well, adding Columbian, you would end up with a Delaware type bird I would think.

being silver is a given for any black and white bird. without it, you've got a black and red bird.

and any variety that requires a distinct line between black and white/red would need to have the slow feathering gene, or else you end up with 'mossyness' as in barred and partridge, or cuckoo for the barred gene.

 

[lilcrow]

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There is no easy way to understand poultry genetics, it's very complicated and nothing takes the place of study, study, study. You just have to keep reading and going over it.

 

[Black Cochin Bantams]

There is no easy way to understand poultry genetics, it's very complicated and nothing takes the place on study, study, study. You just have to keep reading and going over it.

I enjoy my Cochins and the people I meet that share the pleasure of having quality Cochins for either pets or showing.

And I still get that glassy eyed stare after I read genetics for a while. Older eyes make studying even harder than when I was younger.

The only thing I am sure of is that it is even harder in real life than reading the books. I know Black Cochins hide SO many colors since I find red, silver/white, even barred feathers from time to time (I will not keep or use those birds for breeding). Only thing I know for sure is that a Black Cochin is so much more than simply Black. I also know that making outcross to bring in a trait is SO much easier on paper than in real life. I ran into a dead end on that after 3 years of working an improvement project now have to start that over again. I have nothing but respect for those that have the knowledge, patience, money, and space needed to complete any project at a high level.

I feel that setting goals so you can measure improvement is the key. I was making very pretty birds but that was not the goal. The goal was to improve type and wings on a variety which was just not happening. By the 3rd generation I had the same issues that I started with and had lost some of the pattern. My thoughts are next year instead of using a Black I might consider a good Mottled or Barred.