Cochin Thread!!!

[mjgigax]

Quote:
He is a dandy!

I just got a young Mille Fleur Roo that looks scruffy and has mites. He even smells a little. I am trying poultry dust. He has been in quarantine for almost a week. Do you think I should keep him separated longer? He sure acts lonely.

I would it took me about 3 weeks of isolation to rid him of mites and lice. You said you dusted but you have to dust again in 10 days. My boy had egg sacks as large as my thumb under his wings about 6 each wing. They will and do come back I treated him 3 times total 2 before he was let out. Also if he smells please bath first there is a reason he smells I had to bath colonol twice with dawn dish soap helps with lice. Good luck with him he will be beautiful it just takes time

Thanks! Do i bring him into the house and bath him in the sink? He is a Bantam.

 

[cochinman2005]

Quote:
Looking at this from purely a breeding toward the Standard of Perfection point of view. We already have several Large Fowl varieties that exist in comparitively poor quality when measured against 1) the Standard, and 2) the more common varieties (i.e., Black, White, Buff). So instead of making new varieties that will exist in even lesser numbers, why not work to perfect those varieties that already do exist and exist with at least a few strains around to work with (i.e., Silver Laced, Golden Laced, Barred, Partridge, Brown, Blue)? (note: Brown Cochins don't exist in large numbers. There are only a couple people in the U.S. working to bring them back and they have invested several years and still have a few years to go)

A bantam and Large Fowl cross won't produce a full sized bird for a number of years. In the case of Columbians, you would take a Bantam Columbian Male and breed it to what? There are a couple options, with White and Black leading the list, but in order to make any progress you would have to hatch a couple hundred a year and cull them down to 3 or 4 per year. Most people aren't willing to put that kind of effort into that type of endeavor. If there is someone out there that is willing to do such a thing, again, I'd encourage them to take up one of the laced varieties, and hatch a couple hundred of them for a a couple years. It would be a sight to see to walk into a show hall and see a class of 20 quality Silver or Golden Laced Cochins. Today you are lucky to see one of even mediocre quality.

In the case of the Mille Fleur, why would you try to create the variety in Large Fowl when it still can't be bred true in Bantams? Would a large Mille Fleur Cochin be cool to see. Yup, but let's get the bantams to breed true before we embark on that adventure.

As always, just my opinion of course. If someone wants to work on Large Columbians, I applaud their efforts, but it isn't a short term undertaking.

 

[cochin123]

Quote:
Looking at this from purely a breeding toward the Standard of Perfection point of view. We already have several Large Fowl varieties that exist in comparitively poor quality when measured against 1) the Standard, and 2) the more common varieties (i.e., Black, White, Buff). So instead of making new varieties that will exist in even lesser numbers, why not work to perfect those varieties that already do exist and exist with at least a few strains around to work with (i.e., Silver Laced, Golden Laced, Barred, Partridge, Brown, Blue)? (note: Brown Cochins don't exist in large numbers. There are only a couple people in the U.S. working to bring them back and they have invested several years and still have a few years to go)

A bantam and Large Fowl cross won't produce a full sized bird for a number of years. In the case of Columbians, you would take a Bantam Columbian Male and breed it to what? There are a couple options, with White and Black leading the list, but in order to make any progress you would have to hatch a couple hundred a year and cull them down to 3 or 4 per year. Most people aren't willing to put that kind of effort into that type of endeavor. If there is someone out there that is willing to do such a thing, again, I'd encourage them to take up one of the laced varieties, and hatch a couple hundred of them for a a couple years. It would be a sight to see to walk into a show hall and see a class of 20 quality Silver or Golden Laced Cochins. Today you are lucky to see one of even mediocre quality.

In the case of the Mille Fleur, why would you try to create the variety in Large Fowl when it still can't be bred true in Bantams? Would a large Mille Fleur Cochin be cool to see. Yup, but let's get the bantams to breed true before we embark on that adventure.

As always, just my opinion of course. If someone wants to work on Large Columbians, I applaud their efforts, but it isn't a short term undertaking.

X2

 

[mjgigax]

Quote:
Looking at this from purely a breeding toward the Standard of Perfection point of view. We already have several Large Fowl varieties that exist in comparitively poor quality when measured against 1) the Standard, and 2) the more common varieties (i.e., Black, White, Buff). So instead of making new varieties that will exist in even lesser numbers, why not work to perfect those varieties that already do exist and exist with at least a few strains around to work with (i.e., Silver Laced, Golden Laced, Barred, Partridge, Brown, Blue)? (note: Brown Cochins don't exist in large numbers. There are only a couple people in the U.S. working to bring them back and they have invested several years and still have a few years to go)

A bantam and Large Fowl cross won't produce a full sized bird for a number of years. In the case of Columbians, you would take a Bantam Columbian Male and breed it to what? There are a couple options, with White and Black leading the list, but in order to make any progress you would have to hatch a couple hundred a year and cull them down to 3 or 4 per year. Most people aren't willing to put that kind of effort into that type of endeavor. If there is someone out there that is willing to do such a thing, again, I'd encourage them to take up one of the laced varieties, and hatch a couple hundred of them for a a couple years. It would be a sight to see to walk into a show hall and see a class of 20 quality Silver or Golden Laced Cochins. Today you are lucky to see one of even mediocre quality.

In the case of the Mille Fleur, why would you try to create the variety in Large Fowl when it still can't be bred true in Bantams? Would a large Mille Fleur Cochin be cool to see. Yup, but let's get the bantams to breed true before we embark on that adventure.

As always, just my opinion of course. If someone wants to work on Large Columbians, I applaud their efforts, but it isn't a short term undertaking.

Well said.

 

[shelleyb1969]

Quote:
While I am currently working on both Colombian and Mille Fleur, I am really wanting some nice barred bantam Cochins as well. However, finding someone (other than a hatchery) that has them and will sell either hatching eggs or chicks is proving very difficult. So from that standpoint, I can understand the "other side" of this equation. While I totally agree with working on existing breeds that are in need, I also feel that it can be very discouraging to do so when you can't even find a decent place to begin.

So if anyone has quality barred bantam Cochin stock and is willing to share, please contact me.

 

[luvchicks8]

Quote:
I would it took me about 3 weeks of isolation to rid him of mites and lice. You said you dusted but you have to dust again in 10 days. My boy had egg sacks as large as my thumb under his wings about 6 each wing. They will and do come back I treated him 3 times total 2 before he was let out. Also if he smells please bath first there is a reason he smells I had to bath colonol twice with dawn dish soap helps with lice. Good luck with him he will be beautiful it just takes time

Thanks! Do i bring him into the house and bath him in the sink? He is a Bantam.

That's what I did mine is standard but he tollerated it.

 

[cochinman2005]

Quote:
While I am currently working on both Colombian and Mille Fleur, I am really wanting some nice barred bantam Cochins as well. However, finding someone (other than a hatchery) that has them and will sell either hatching eggs or chicks is proving very difficult. So from that standpoint, I can understand the "other side" of this equation. While I totally agree with working on existing breeds that are in need, I also feel that it can be very discouraging to do so when you can't even find a decent place to begin.

So if anyone has quality barred bantam Cochin stock and is willing to share, please contact me.

In the case of Barreds I'd say you are going about your quest the wrong way. There are posts on this thread and others on BYC that touch on wanting to buy eggs and what you get when you do, and who will and who won't sell eggs. So without beating the horse to death, you will be hard pressed to find a breeder that will sell you eggs or chicks. There are several breeders of Barred Cochin Bantams that have absolutley excellent stock, but you need to contact them, ask them what they have available in the fall and see if you can arrange to either pick the birds up at a show, or have them shipped. A pair of Bantams can be shipped for around $60 plus the cost of the box and the birds of course. This late in the year you may have to wait until next fall, or see if they'd be willing to sell a pair of breeder birds after breeding season.

Send me a PM and I can provide a couple names of breeders you could contact if you are interested in adult birds.

Tom

 

[Braclin]

Hi all new to the thread. I'm interested in finding a standard/giant Golden Laced Cochin hen. I live in East Central Kentucky.

 

[joanie_maine]

Quote:
While I am currently working on both Colombian and Mille Fleur, I am really wanting some nice barred bantam Cochins as well. However, finding someone (other than a hatchery) that has them and will sell either hatching eggs or chicks is proving very difficult. So from that standpoint, I can understand the "other side" of this equation. While I totally agree with working on existing breeds that are in need, I also feel that it can be very discouraging to do so when you can't even find a decent place to begin.

So if anyone has quality barred bantam Cochin stock and is willing to share, please contact me.

I feel for you, Shelly. It is hard to find really good birds for sale. And that makes sense. Good ones are keepers and the others that are not so good are culled. Even with money in hand, it's not a simple task.

 

[Coopa Cabana]

Quote:
While I am currently working on both Colombian and Mille Fleur, I am really wanting some nice barred bantam Cochins as well. However, finding someone (other than a hatchery) that has them and will sell either hatching eggs or chicks is proving very difficult. So from that standpoint, I can understand the "other side" of this equation. While I totally agree with working on existing breeds that are in need, I also feel that it can be very discouraging to do so when you can't even find a decent place to begin.

So if anyone has quality barred bantam Cochin stock and is willing to share, please contact me.

I feel for you, Shelly. It is hard to find really good birds for sale. And that makes sense. Good ones are keepers and the others that are not so good are culled. Even with money in hand, it's not a simple task.

It's hard now, with auction sites all over the place, to find where the good Cochins are. And yes, there are some excellent Cochin breeders right here on BYC. But IMHO the absolute best place to find the best Cochins and best breeders is over on CochinsRule/Cochins International. Check out the Master Breeder List - it lists all the current winning breeders by both color variety and bantam/LF - very easy to find exactly what you are looking for, all in one place.
But remember that the best birds are worth the wait (and the money!). Good birds can easily cost $30 to $50 each depending on the sex, or $75 to $100/pair - all before shipping costs. And availability is seasonal. Be polite, and be specific in what you are looking for - color variety, sex, and breeder or show quality. And always be prepared to buy at least one rooster - either in a pair or trio. You will pay a premium, and drop down on the waiting list, if all you are willing to buy is hens.
And remember that most of the Master Breeders do not sell eggs or chicks. But most can help you avoid shipping costs if you are close to a city where they will be showing, and they can deliver your birds to you at the show.