Coco pop seramas Thread !!!!!!!!!!!!

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I'M OUT OF THE BROODER ! NOW YA

 

[YB192004]

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As far as I know, no one has ever proven the existence of dun in the Serama. I've asked about it before here. I would love to be proven wrong. If you think you have dun, breed it to black and show that it produces black and duns. Then breed dun to dun and show that it produces khaki, dun and black. I know Seramas are very diverse genetically, but as we select and refine their colors, I think we will produce many true-breeding colors, including coco pop. It just takes a lot of time and hard work and good record-keeping.

but that's what i'm saying about dun or chocolate birds... it's super hard to breed out the other traits because if a serama is a patridge/columbian/melanized/dun/patterned/silver that means that it's split for wheaton/blue/choc/lav/duckwing/black tail/birchen/lemon/dilute/barred/mottled/recessive white and everything else possible...


LOL...


you guys see what you guys are trying to do...? i think it's great, but it's really going to be a group effort to get this done right... my friend jose has some "cocopop" birds, so i'll help him try to breed out the other genes...

I got this from one of Sidqrid post on SCNA about cocopop. I am currently doing F1 X F1 to see if I can isolate and eliminate some colors. So far I got 4 chicks and 5 fertile eggs, I am planning on hatching at least 40 chicks from 2 single mate pens. I wil up date on the chicks color in 2 months.

Gumbii, is this what you are looking for ???


Cocoapops can be partridge based, wheaten based or mixed partridge/wheaten since wheaten becomes dominant in expression when there is Ml (more black) present.

They can be gold, silver and rooster can be mixed gold/silver as well.

If you want a bird similar looking as Capt. Cocoapop the founding father, you need a silver bird with autosomal red, having the pattern gene which causes the chipmunk stripes and lots of autosomal red (non sex linked red so not gold).

You also need columbian and/or Db (black tailed gene) pure or impure and some Ml (melanotic) but the latter may be impure which causes less thick laces on the breast.

The 'double lace' seen as one black (or choc) outer lace, followed by a white 'lace' and then the red feather field is caused by too little autosomal red to 'fill' the feather with red. What causes the red not to spread equally over the white feather is unknown.

The yellowish chicks, or chicks without chipmunk stripes are pure wheaten ones. Since wheaten chick down 'hides' additional genes.

Later I found out you also need ig (inhibitor of gold) in order to clean up the rooster's hackle since autosomal red may stick on hackle as well.
Since ig is recessive you need to inbreed to get really white hackle in cocoapops. This counts for hens as well which look like pencilled gold based birds but have silver white hackle, with (eb) or without (eWh) shaft striping like silver duckwing hens.

The duckwing e-allele e+, doesn't work, since the hens may have a salmon breast next to pencilling. But for the roosters it doesn't matter only you need more columbians to push away black into lacings in roosters. This is theory, because I never used an e+ silver hen to make cocoapops.

The best cocoapops are the light chicks with faint stripes (impure eb/eWh) with smashing orange back stripes next to almost platinum white stripes.
Cocoapop is an impure colour, you will always have a bit difference between the birds. Because so many genes are impure and the accents differ, the colour segregates similar to blue (from pigeon grey till dull black).
Just pick out the ones you like and continue to breed, but: the best ones are not the best breeders. Actually you should practice two pen breeding of which the F1 is actually considered as an end product.

 

[gumbii]

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but that's what i'm saying about dun or chocolate birds... it's super hard to breed out the other traits because if a serama is a patridge/columbian/melanized/dun/patterned/silver that means that it's split for wheaton/blue/choc/lav/duckwing/black tail/birchen/lemon/dilute/barred/mottled/recessive white and everything else possible...


LOL...


you guys see what you guys are trying to do...? i think it's great, but it's really going to be a group effort to get this done right... my friend jose has some "cocopop" birds, so i'll help him try to breed out the other genes...

I got this from one of Sidqrid post on SCNA about cocopop. I am currently doing F1 X F1 to see if I can isolate and eliminate some colors. So far I got 4 chicks and 5 fertile eggs, I am planning on hatching at least 40 chicks from 2 single mate pens. I wil up date on the chicks color in 2 months.

Gumbii, is this what you are looking for ???


Cocoapops can be partridge based, wheaten based or mixed partridge/wheaten since wheaten becomes dominant in expression when there is Ml (more black) present.

They can be gold, silver and rooster can be mixed gold/silver as well.

If you want a bird similar looking as Capt. Cocoapop the founding father, you need a silver bird with autosomal red, having the pattern gene which causes the chipmunk stripes and lots of autosomal red (non sex linked red so not gold).

You also need columbian and/or Db (black tailed gene) pure or impure and some Ml (melanotic) but the latter may be impure which causes less thick laces on the breast.

The 'double lace' seen as one black (or choc) outer lace, followed by a white 'lace' and then the red feather field is caused by too little autosomal red to 'fill' the feather with red. What causes the red not to spread equally over the white feather is unknown.

The yellowish chicks, or chicks without chipmunk stripes are pure wheaten ones. Since wheaten chick down 'hides' additional genes.

Later I found out you also need ig (inhibitor of gold) in order to clean up the rooster's hackle since autosomal red may stick on hackle as well.
Since ig is recessive you need to inbreed to get really white hackle in cocoapops. This counts for hens as well which look like pencilled gold based birds but have silver white hackle, with (eb) or without (eWh) shaft striping like silver duckwing hens.

The duckwing e-allele e+, doesn't work, since the hens may have a salmon breast next to pencilling. But for the roosters it doesn't matter only you need more columbians to push away black into lacings in roosters. This is theory, because I never used an e+ silver hen to make cocoapops.

The best cocoapops are the light chicks with faint stripes (impure eb/eWh) with smashing orange back stripes next to almost platinum white stripes.
Cocoapop is an impure colour, you will always have a bit difference between the birds. Because so many genes are impure and the accents differ, the colour segregates similar to blue (from pigeon grey till dull black).
Just pick out the ones you like and continue to breed, but: the best ones are not the best breeders. Actually you should practice two pen breeding of which the F1 is actually considered as an end product.

that's the genetic make up of the one rooster he was talking about... but you never know what genes he was split for...

but this does make a lot more sense now... i see that coco pop was the color name that this one person put for his chicken... so now it all makes sense... and i was kind of right like last month... LOL... when i said that a coco pop was dun laced chocolate...

 

[LAseramas KP]

thank you joey you the man so much info hurts my head reading this lol I will try are take in as much as a can this is good stuff bro

 

[LAseramas KP]

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I got this from one of Sidqrid post on SCNA about cocopop. I am currently doing F1 X F1 to see if I can isolate and eliminate some colors. So far I got 4 chicks and 5 fertile eggs, I am planning on hatching at least 40 chicks from 2 single mate pens. I wil up date on the chicks color in 2 months.

Gumbii, is this what you are looking for ???


Cocoapops can be partridge based, wheaten based or mixed partridge/wheaten since wheaten becomes dominant in expression when there is Ml (more black) present.

They can be gold, silver and rooster can be mixed gold/silver as well.

If you want a bird similar looking as Capt. Cocoapop the founding father, you need a silver bird with autosomal red, having the pattern gene which causes the chipmunk stripes and lots of autosomal red (non sex linked red so not gold).

You also need columbian and/or Db (black tailed gene) pure or impure and some Ml (melanotic) but the latter may be impure which causes less thick laces on the breast.

The 'double lace' seen as one black (or choc) outer lace, followed by a white 'lace' and then the red feather field is caused by too little autosomal red to 'fill' the feather with red. What causes the red not to spread equally over the white feather is unknown.

The yellowish chicks, or chicks without chipmunk stripes are pure wheaten ones. Since wheaten chick down 'hides' additional genes.

Later I found out you also need ig (inhibitor of gold) in order to clean up the rooster's hackle since autosomal red may stick on hackle as well.
Since ig is recessive you need to inbreed to get really white hackle in cocoapops. This counts for hens as well which look like pencilled gold based birds but have silver white hackle, with (eb) or without (eWh) shaft striping like silver duckwing hens.

The duckwing e-allele e+, doesn't work, since the hens may have a salmon breast next to pencilling. But for the roosters it doesn't matter only you need more columbians to push away black into lacings in roosters. This is theory, because I never used an e+ silver hen to make cocoapops.

The best cocoapops are the light chicks with faint stripes (impure eb/eWh) with smashing orange back stripes next to almost platinum white stripes.
Cocoapop is an impure colour, you will always have a bit difference between the birds. Because so many genes are impure and the accents differ, the colour segregates similar to blue (from pigeon grey till dull black).
Just pick out the ones you like and continue to breed, but: the best ones are not the best breeders. Actually you should practice two pen breeding of which the F1 is actually considered as an end product.

that's the genetic make up of the one rooster he was talking about... but you never know what genes he was split for...

but this does make a lot more sense now... i see that coco pop was the color name that this one person put for his chicken... so now it all makes sense... and i was kind of right like last month... LOL... when i said that a coco pop was dun laced chocolate...

I think if you can decode this color then other color will be the same if not easier . So keep it up guys we are getting closer

 

[Henk69]

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These roosters may carry cocopop genes but they do not qualify as cocopops.
The gold one has near normal hackle intensity and the white one... is just a white one.

O, and that a huge serama can throw A size chicks is a selling trick...

 

[LAseramas KP]

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These roosters may carry cocopop genes but they do not qualify as cocopops.
The gold one has near normal hackle intensity and the white one... is just a white one.

O, and that a huge serama can throw A size chicks is a selling trick...

now wait a min henk69 you might be on to something could it be that that is not a coco pop true color and if bread again and again will she ever get a coco pop like my rooster ???
or did grady sold her something and call it coco pop cause it just has the coco pop genes ???? What is in a color which make a coco pop really a coco pop henk69 from your point of view cause why would you say these birds are not qualify as coco pops ????

 

[LAseramas KP]

 

[LAseramas KP]

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congrats

 

[gumbii]

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These roosters may carry cocopop genes but they do not qualify as cocopops.
The gold one has near normal hackle intensity and the white one... is just a white one.

O, and that a huge serama can throw A size chicks is a selling trick...

i think people are getting confused with chocolate, dun and cocopop... after joey's post, coco pop is a color morph that looks like the OG rooster named captain crunch or something... lol...

maybe cocopop doesn't mean the same thing to everyone..? i'm just gonna start calling chocolate or dun serama, chocolates or duns... LOL...



edit: btw, i have seen a large C roo over a medium B give out small type A chickens before... but i doubt a big hen can give anything... oh, and they have to lay small eggs... i've seen some C hens laying some tiny eggs, and produce B's or so... but not A's... and i've also seen some B hens laying some huge eggs... poor them... but when they hatch, they're all large B's and C's... it's also about genetics... just like color, leg size and posture, small birds is all about good genes...

yes it could be a gimmick to sell culls, but there is always a possibility based on good breeding and good genetics... i've heard of two D's giving a micro serama... but those have different genes... they're like deformed or midget chickens...