Color genetics thread.

[morbius18]

I was playing with the chicken calculator using my golden cuckoo rooster over a blue marans hen and came up with golden blue cuckoos and goldedn splashes. Is this really possible?

Fist mating Golden cuckoo rooster to blue marans.

Rooster:

Hen:

Offspring:

I kept the golden cuckoo rooster and this blue barred hen:

The offspring:

So the 1st is a blue golden cuckoo hen and the 5th is a blue golden cuckoo rooster. Cross those two:

Offspring:

So black, blue and splash goldens.

Can you really have golden splashes?

 

[Saris]

I was playing with the chicken calculator using my golden cuckoo rooster over a blue marans hen and came up with golden blue cuckoos and holded splashes. Is this really possible?

Fist mating Golden cuckoo rooster to blue marans.

Rooster:

Hen:

Offspring:

I kept the golden cuckoo rooster and this blue barred hen:

The offspring:

So the 1st is a blue golden cuckoo hen and the 5th is a blue golden cuckoo rooster. Cross those two:

Offspring:

So black, blue and splash goldens.

Can you really have golden splashes?

Only one way to find out. Make some babies!

 

[Kev]

Can you really have golden splashes?

Yes, there is nothing to prevent a golden to have blue and to be pure for it too.

There is a complication though, the blue marans may have a different E gene and they certainly have the extra mutant genes that help them turn solid black instead of leaky. So you will see variations in how much color the birds have in each generation.

 

[morbius18]

Yes, there is nothing to prevent a golden to have blue and to be pure for it too.

There is a complication though,  the blue marans may have a different E gene and they certainly have the extra mutant genes that help them turn solid black instead of leaky.   So you will see variations in how much color the birds have in each generation.

The blue coppers are E^R Birchen based. The golden cuckoos I'm working on are birchen based, is that what you were referring to?

 

[Kev]

The blue coppers are E^R Birchen based. The golden cuckoos I'm working on are birchen based, is that what you were referring to?

Yeah sort of, when you said "blue marans"- it meant solid blue birds to me, no 'copper' color. I didn;t know if they were E, ER or even mix of E/ER- happens far more often than you think.

Also honestly a lot of "coppers" could pass for E if melanizers aren't present in the stock. A lot have minimal coloring which is generally considered more typical for E, with ER having more color in comparsion- particularly lacing on hen's breasts. None of this excludes the possibility of ER with some melanizers being present.....

The blue and red coppers I had frequently threw hens with no color on necks(solid black or blue) however roosters always had some color... is this E or ER with melanizers? Or random combinations of E/ER with melanizers being very mixed also...

Basically, the safe guess is to expect roosters with some color, with hens also having some color 'but do not be surprised if some turn out solid colored(non leaky)'.

However if you're working with blue coppers rather than solid blues, you're pretty safe in expecting all hens to have color on necks, and roosters with color on necks and backs at least.. in this case, you'd be pretty safe in expecting golden cuckoo, blue golden cuckoo and splash golden cuckoo. This is because birds in this probably are lacking the melanizers necessary to turn them solid colored.. even E needs melanizers to turn E roosters solid black.

 

[morbius18]

Yeah sort of, when you said "blue marans"- it meant solid blue birds to me, no 'copper' color.  I didn;t know if they were E, ER or even mix of E/ER- happens far more often than you think.

Also honestly a lot of "coppers" could pass for E if melanizers aren't present in the stock. A lot have minimal coloring which is generally considered more typical for E, with ER having more color in comparsion- particularly lacing on hen's breasts.    None of this excludes the possibility of ER with some melanizers being present.....

The blue and red coppers I had frequently threw hens with no color on necks(solid black or blue) however roosters always had some color...  is this E or ER with melanizers?  Or random combinations of E/ER with melanizers being very mixed also...

Basically, the safe guess is to expect roosters with some color, with hens also having some color 'but do not be surprised if some turn out solid colored(non leaky)'.

However if you're working with blue coppers rather than solid blues, you're pretty safe in expecting all hens to have color on necks, and roosters with color on necks and backs at least.. in this case, you'd be pretty safe in expecting golden cuckoo, blue golden cuckoo and splash golden cuckoo.  This is because birds in this probably are lacking the melanizers necessary to turn them solid colored..  even E needs melanizers to turn E roosters solid black. 

Thanks for taking the time to explain that. That was the assumption that I was working with, but you explained it much better than I had hoped for.

 

[Lozuufy]

This thread is awesome.

I might try to breed a chocolate chicken with the mahogany gene. I think I want it to be partridge based (e ^ b / e ^ b)

So the genotype would be e^b/e^b choc/choc Mh/Mh

AND it would be cool if it laid olive eggs...

OR I could make a chocolate CCL...

Any thoughts anyone? I just breed for fun/experimenting

 

[Kev]

Thanks for taking the time to explain that. That was the assumption that I was working with, but you explained it much better than I had hoped for.

Great. have fun with your birds.

 

[Kev]

This thread is awesome.

I might try to breed a chocolate chicken with the mahogany gene. I think I want it to be partridge based (e ^ b / e ^ b)

So the genotype would be e^b/e^b choc/choc Mh/Mh

AND it would be cool if it laid olive eggs...

OR I could make a chocolate CCL...

Any thoughts anyone? I just breed for fun/experimenting

that's doable but it will be much easier if you are able to hatch lots of the F2 onwards.

cross CL with partridge penedeseneca

also some of CL suspiciously look eb to me... if this is correct, this may be relatively simple(cross eb CL with partridge penedesenecas you are going to get all eb chicks.. olive eggers at that too..) but how to introduce choc is the good question...

 

[Shadow920]

so when i bred this,

a white and i guess lemon?, japanese bantam
with this

gold laced sebright, i got these.

so what would happen if i bred the same rooster with a silver sebright?