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Mmm! I wanna come to dinner at YOUR house!
Mmm! I wanna come to dinner at YOUR house!
Commercial chicken farms
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You're right next door......come on over!
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I'm sure you're not trying to describe poultry farmers as criminals, but how do you suggest we feed a population where a majority of the people would rather have somebody else produce their food for them and demand it at the cheapest possible price?
10 billion broilers a year in the U.S., should we move them all to the backyards? They are raised to be meat, nothing else. They hatch, eat for 45 days, and then become food themselves.
Last month, 282 million laying hens produced 6.5 billion table eggs in the U.S. Per capita consumption is 250 eggs per year. That's almost one bird for every person in the U.S. Do you really think you can compare industry standards to any sort of backyard production as we discuss it here? Granted, there may be some operations that are still lacking, but the egg industry has been under fire for quite some time and a majority of the companies have moved toward more humane production practices.
I'm sure you're not trying to describe poultry farmers as criminals, but how do you suggest we feed a population where a majority of the people would rather have somebody else produce their food for them and demand it at the cheapest possible price?
10 billion broilers a year in the U.S., should we move them all to the backyards? They are raised to be meat, nothing else. They hatch, eat for 45 days, and then become food themselves.
Last month, 282 million laying hens produced 6.5 billion table eggs in the U.S. Per capita consumption is 250 eggs per year. That's almost one bird for every person in the U.S. Do you really think you can compare industry standards to any sort of backyard production as we discuss it here? Granted, there may be some operations that are still lacking, but the egg industry has been under fire for quite some time and a majority of the companies have moved toward more humane production practices.
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I'm sure you're not trying to describe poultry farmers as criminals, but how do you suggest we feed a population where a majority of the people would rather have somebody else produce their food for them and demand it at the cheapest possible price?
10 billion broilers a year in the U.S., should we move them all to the backyards? They are raised to be meat, nothing else. They hatch, eat for 45 days, and then become food themselves.
Last month, 282 million laying hens produced 6.5 billion table eggs in the U.S. Per capita consumption is 250 eggs per year. That's almost one bird for every person in the U.S. Do you really think you can compare industry standards to any sort of backyard production as we discuss it here? Granted, there may be some operations that are still lacking, but the egg industry has been under fire for quite some time and a majority of the companies have moved toward more humane production practices.
I agree. It's a business, and if people are willing to take the risk to try to make a living, then that's ok with me. I figure if people are more concerned about where there food comes from and wants more home grown food (like most of us here), then they don't have to buy the store stuff.
I'm sure you're not trying to describe poultry farmers as criminals, but how do you suggest we feed a population where a majority of the people would rather have somebody else produce their food for them and demand it at the cheapest possible price?
10 billion broilers a year in the U.S., should we move them all to the backyards? They are raised to be meat, nothing else. They hatch, eat for 45 days, and then become food themselves.
Last month, 282 million laying hens produced 6.5 billion table eggs in the U.S. Per capita consumption is 250 eggs per year. That's almost one bird for every person in the U.S. Do you really think you can compare industry standards to any sort of backyard production as we discuss it here? Granted, there may be some operations that are still lacking, but the egg industry has been under fire for quite some time and a majority of the companies have moved toward more humane production practices.
I agree. It's a business, and if people are willing to take the risk to try to make a living, then that's ok with me. I figure if people are more concerned about where there food comes from and wants more home grown food (like most of us here), then they don't have to buy the store stuff.
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Yup...that. And I think the practice of jamming thousands of birds into a windowless building, where it is kept dark 24 hours a day, the birds are kept knee deep in their own feces, and the birds have been genetically modified to the point of being crippled from unnatural growth spirts, and the workers have to come and clean up dead bodies everywhere on a daily basis animal cruelty. (ie: criminal) If you agree with the practice, go buy Tyson. If you don't, raise your own chickens or support someone whose practices you agree with...and you commerically raise chickens and don't treat your chickens like that...great. I wasn't referring to you.
Clearly we aren't all going to agree. I voiced my opinion but have no desire to debate the issue with you or anyone else. (Sorry for whoever busted out the popcorn! LOL!!!!
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Yup...that. And I think the practice of jamming thousands of birds into a windowless building, where it is kept dark 24 hours a day, the birds are kept knee deep in their own feces, and the birds have been genetically modified to the point of being crippled from unnatural growth spirts, and the workers have to come and clean up dead bodies everywhere on a daily basis animal cruelty. (ie: criminal) If you agree with the practice, go buy Tyson. If you don't, raise your own chickens or support someone whose practices you agree with...and you commerically raise chickens and don't treat your chickens like that...great. I wasn't referring to you.
Clearly we aren't all going to agree. I voiced my opinion but have no desire to debate the issue with you or anyone else. (Sorry for whoever busted out the popcorn! LOL!!!!
Pick up a copy of 'Eating Animals' by Jonathan Safran Foer.
He really did his research and describes in detail both responsible and humane animal production, as well as more common production methods.
He let's you make your own conclusions.
Personally, if I can't speak with the actual farmer, and go see the operation first hand, I'm not eating it. Most farmers who are proud of what they do, and how they treat their animals will gladly show you. I am happy to pay them 5 times as much per pound and eat 1/10 the meat of the "average" American.
He really did his research and describes in detail both responsible and humane animal production, as well as more common production methods.
He let's you make your own conclusions.
Personally, if I can't speak with the actual farmer, and go see the operation first hand, I'm not eating it. Most farmers who are proud of what they do, and how they treat their animals will gladly show you. I am happy to pay them 5 times as much per pound and eat 1/10 the meat of the "average" American.
Tyson controls the chicken houses around here. It's not like that at all,1stepcloser.
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I'm glad someone cares to learn the facts. Commercial farms aren't evil, they just aren't able to let their birds roam like us and apparently that puts them 1 step below Satan.
I'm glad someone cares to learn the facts. Commercial farms aren't evil, they just aren't able to let their birds roam like us and apparently that puts them 1 step below Satan.
I have alot of respect for the grower. LOTS of work for little pay.
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Yup...that. And I think the practice of jamming thousands of birds into a windowless building, where it is kept dark 24 hours a day, the birds are kept knee deep in their own feces, and the birds have been genetically modified to the point of being crippled from unnatural growth spirts, and the workers have to come and clean up dead bodies everywhere on a daily basis animal cruelty. (ie: criminal) If you agree with the practice, go buy Tyson. If you don't, raise your own chickens or support someone whose practices you agree with...and you commerically raise chickens and don't treat your chickens like that...great. I wasn't referring to you.
Clearly we aren't all going to agree. I voiced my opinion but have no desire to debate the issue with you or anyone else. (Sorry for whoever busted out the popcorn! LOL!!!!
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You said you do not want to debate. So no debate there will be. I will only state FACTS.
1. The birds are not in windowless buildings. The sides of the buildings have curtains so that the curtains can be lowered or heightened according to the temperature inside of the building. Natural light is always recommended above man-made. During the night, lighting is used.
2. Birds will not eat in the dark. The houses are lit up. Every few hours the lights are turned off FOR THE BIRDS OWN GOOD so that they will take some time to digest what they have been eating.
3. Chickens don't have knees and if they were kept up to their HOCKS in feces, the breast would be covered in burns from the urea scalding them. Since we hardly ever see burns on the breasts of fryers, cut-ups and whole birds, you can rest assured the birds are not being kept up to their hocks in fecal matter.
3. Show me how genetic modification will make the birds more profitable, and I will show you several scholarly articles that state SELECTIVE BREEDING is how it is done.
4. The birds do not have "spurts". They grow at a steady rate.
5. Only those who do not know how to properly grow broilers end up with "dead bodies everywhere." Those that do know how to raise the birds wind up with huge profits, healthy birds and happy consumers.
Yup...that. And I think the practice of jamming thousands of birds into a windowless building, where it is kept dark 24 hours a day, the birds are kept knee deep in their own feces, and the birds have been genetically modified to the point of being crippled from unnatural growth spirts, and the workers have to come and clean up dead bodies everywhere on a daily basis animal cruelty. (ie: criminal) If you agree with the practice, go buy Tyson. If you don't, raise your own chickens or support someone whose practices you agree with...and you commerically raise chickens and don't treat your chickens like that...great. I wasn't referring to you.
Clearly we aren't all going to agree. I voiced my opinion but have no desire to debate the issue with you or anyone else. (Sorry for whoever busted out the popcorn! LOL!!!!
You said you do not want to debate. So no debate there will be. I will only state FACTS.
1. The birds are not in windowless buildings. The sides of the buildings have curtains so that the curtains can be lowered or heightened according to the temperature inside of the building. Natural light is always recommended above man-made. During the night, lighting is used.
2. Birds will not eat in the dark. The houses are lit up. Every few hours the lights are turned off FOR THE BIRDS OWN GOOD so that they will take some time to digest what they have been eating.
3. Chickens don't have knees and if they were kept up to their HOCKS in feces, the breast would be covered in burns from the urea scalding them. Since we hardly ever see burns on the breasts of fryers, cut-ups and whole birds, you can rest assured the birds are not being kept up to their hocks in fecal matter.
3. Show me how genetic modification will make the birds more profitable, and I will show you several scholarly articles that state SELECTIVE BREEDING is how it is done.
4. The birds do not have "spurts". They grow at a steady rate.
5. Only those who do not know how to properly grow broilers end up with "dead bodies everywhere." Those that do know how to raise the birds wind up with huge profits, healthy birds and happy consumers.
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