Consolidated Kansas

[chicken danz]

Here's the info from the state. Trapping season is in effect right now.

• Species: badger, bobcat, mink, muskrat, opossum, raccoon, swift fox, red fox, gray fox, striped skunk, weasel.
• Season Dates (statewide): Nov. 13, 2013 - Feb. 15, 2014 Limit: No limit.

I talked to the wildlife dept of Kansas and it is legal to dump them with permission of the land owners. You cannot relocate them on wildlife and parks areas. They recommend just killing the fox and or selling them for fur if you don't have a place to dump them. Thanks HEChicken for pointing that out.
Yeah I'll treat those girls to make sure. Then when I can be absolutely positive they've gone through the regime of drugs I will sell them. Seems a shame after coming this far. I did some more reading this morning and the key to not getting histomoniasis is gut health. Now I feel bad for not finding a way to maintain the FF this winter. I think that might have prevented this. I also read again that the cayenne pepper was effective in preventing it. Guess who is going to be getting lots of pepper in their diet? I think I'll put some ACV in their water until I can get the fermented feed going again.
With a little care I think I can keep this from happening again. Doesn't make me feel any better for sure. I'm going to necropsy the turkey and then cut the meat out and the dogs will eat good tonight. Gotta make a positive from a negative.
Oh one other thing I read: wet ground is another factor which adds to the likelihood of birds getting this. Makes sense. With the snow and freezing rain its a muddy mess here. My DH won't be off until Sunday and it's his only day off so it will be a while before I can get some more screenings hauled in. But that would sure help.

 

[Trish44]

I'm so sorry Danz, I didn't see it coming with my turkey either till it was too late as well. HEChicken I don't know if the blindness was caused by the Blackhead or something else, but I just know there was yellow poop in the pen. It seems like it was during a time it was wet out, but honestly it's been too long to remember. We do have a lot of earthworms here, I see them when I have dug up any dirt for planting things. You might want to have some of that med on hand as well since you have turkeys just in case it crops up. There is really only one drug that will treat it.

I did go back & read the rest of that article & it was pretty helpful. Actually with the Cinnamon Queens the pullets will be red & the cockerels are supposed to be white, so it should be pretty easy to tell them apart. I hope so because some people asking for them only can have pullets & no roosters.

My DH brought in two really pretty little blue eggs yesterday & later when I remembered to ask him about them he said they came from the growout pen. My little pullet in there that is kind of a freak of nature is laying evidently. I can't use her for breeding, but I guess I'll have some really pretty blue eggs to add to my egg cartons. I really need to move her to the main coop, but she has no buddy right now to go with her. I had tried earlier on to move her there but she came right back to the growout pen & wanted back in & that is where she has stayed. I guess I'm going to have to get someone to put a nest box in there now if she's laying. She's a cute little thing, just doesn't conform to breed standards.

Wow did I suffer last night from therapy yesterday, it hit me like a ton of bricks all at once & I was in a lot of pain by the time my DH came home. Just when you think you might be doing a little better you get hit right up the side of the head & reminded you're not.

 

[chicken danz]

I did the necropsy and now I am wondering if I diagnosed right. There was nothing there I expected to find. No lesions, no yellow tumors, nothing. The liver even looked healthy although I know yellow diarrhea means the liver shut down. I checked the gizzard, the intestines and the ceca and there were no worms of any kind anywhere. The only thing I did find was his gizzard was totally full of feed I gave him two days ago, totally undigested. It stunk but not to the extent some sour crops have.
So I'm not even sure now this was blackhead. I am going to go ahead and treat the girls full course before I sell them. I just want to make sure they are healthy.
I did discover one thing. These birds are huge but pound per pound there is actually more meat on the midgets than the actual meat on these. They have really long legs and much larger wings than the midgets and comparatively much heavier bones. So it's probably a good thing to learn. I also read that heritage birds are more resistant to blackhead and if you breed those that survive an outbreak that will carry on for the future. Makes me glad I have my Bourbon Reds from Frank. Midgets are my favorite but now I know I don't necessarily have to get rid of the bourbons right off. I'm going to be treating some pens big time. I'm reading that any of the carbonate insecticides will kill worms so that means sevin is effective at killing them. I have always tried to keep worms going but in this case I don't think treating the pens is going to necessarily upset the entire environment. I'm also going get more limestone screenings hauled in so I can put it in the turkey pens. That should help reduce the wetness.
I cut the meat off and it's now cooking. Dogs and cats are going to be in heaven for dinner tonight. I've got to get out soon and burn the rest of the carcass and get busy caring for the other birds.
I couldn't find blindness as a symptom of blackhead.

 

[Trish44]

Danz, I don't have a clue what caused the blindness, but I do remember the bright yellow droppings. I had never even read about blackhead at that point. I hope none of the rest of your turkeys get it.

 

[ashncarson]

YEAH for warmer weather So exciting!




Sorry, danz to read about your turkey...what kind are they? I was looking them up the other day to see what colors the one your guys talk about are!

 

[HEChicken]

Here's the info from the state. Trapping season is in effect right now.

• Species: badger, bobcat, mink, muskrat, opossum, raccoon, swift fox, red fox, gray fox, striped skunk, weasel.
• Season Dates (statewide): Nov. 13, 2013 - Feb. 15, 2014 Limit: No limit.

I talked to the wildlife dept of Kansas and it is legal to dump them with permission of the land owners. You cannot relocate them on wildlife and parks areas. They recommend just killing the fox and or selling them for fur if you don't have a place to dump them. Thanks HEChicken for pointing that out.

After we shot our fox in July, DH became concerned it was illegal (when we had originally seen it in the distance we assumed it was a small coyote and didn't realize until much later that it was actually a fox). However when we turned to the website for Kansas - probably the fish and game division, but I don't remember specifically - we did find that for fur-bearers (which includes fox) there is a season when they can be trapped and killed but if they are actively harassing livestock, it is legal to kill them any time of year, so we were perfectly within our rights to have done so, considering that on day one of the attack the fox had wiped out ⅓ of my flock and on day 2, when I shot it, it had already killed two and was climbing over the fence to gain access to the rest of them.

I bring that up only so that anyone who is losing birds to a fox, doesn't think there is nothing they can do about it if it is outside the hunting season.

I'm so sorry Danz, I didn't see it coming with my turkey either till it was too late as well. HEChicken I don't know if the blindness was caused by the Blackhead or something else, but I just know there was yellow poop in the pen. It seems like it was during a time it was wet out, but honestly it's been too long to remember. We do have a lot of earthworms here, I see them when I have dug up any dirt for planting things. You might want to have some of that med on hand as well since you have turkeys just in case it crops up. There is really only one drug that will treat it.

Is that the metranidozole? Maybe I should order some of that the same time I order the Agrimycin. I swear - the pharmacy just keeps growing.

YEAH for warmer weather So exciting!




Sorry, danz to read about your turkey...what kind are they? I was looking them up the other day to see what colors the one your guys talk about are!

Congrats on the eggs! I got a ton today too - actually kind of a scary number since at the rate they are picking up, I will be inundated in no time. I'm already practically producing more than my customers can keep up with.

Danz has several varieties of turkey, but the one who died was a Royal Palm. They are the black and white ones that I keep so you would have seen some when you were at my place. Since then I now also have some of Danz' Bourbon Reds and a Blue Slate. I really enjoy the turkeys - they are totally different than chickens but have a lot of personality of their own.

 

[ChickieWickies]

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Nope. They live in Atlanta. They went through all kinds of theories about what might have happened to Sam, but after a week they decided he must have been killed by a dog. A few days later he showed up fixed but well cared for. And he didn't want out for a while after that!

We're thinking very seriously about your favorelles. Are they similar in size to the Ameraucanas?

 

[Frizzled Pink]

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Hello,

feel free to jump in anytime --we tend to talk about everything

 

[Trish44]

Nope. They live in Atlanta. They went through all kinds of theories about what might have happened to Sam, but after a week they decided he must have been killed by a dog. A few days later he showed up fixed but well cared for. And he didn't want out for a while after that!

We're thinking very seriously about your favorelles. Are they similar in size to the Ameraucanas?

Well that is strange indeed because someone would have had to transport him to the Humane Society outside of Winfield for him to have surgery. I would be looking at close neighbors that maybe ended up with kittens fathered by him who wanted to make sure he didn't father any more, that would be my guess.

The Salmon Faverolle roosters are big fluffy guys more husky built than the Ameraucanas really, but very calm & friendly. The hens are fairly close in size to the Ameraucana hens. You might want to look them up online so you can see what they look like. I actually like the Salmon Faverolles better personality wise than the Ameraucanas, they're much much calmer & more friendly. I have two roosters in the pen that are father & son & they don't cause any problems at all. Were you just wanting pullets or do you want a cockerel too? With the Salmon Faverolles you can tell fairly soon which sex they are because the roosters have totally different coloring than the hens.

That's true Frizzled, we do talk about most anything here. Welcome Farmboy1200, feel free to tell us about you & your chickens or jump into the conversation any time. We're a chatty bunch here.

I think my chickens are missing me, they run across the yard every time they hear my voice & they're wondering where I've been. I sure miss being able to go out & visit them all I know that.

 

[ChickieWickies]

Trish, I think we'll start with a couple of pullets so they can be in the show pen. We looked them up the other day and my son fell in LOVE!