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[insert whiny voice] ITS SNOWING HERE and its just not right. I thought it was supposed to gradually warm up this week - not add MORE snow.

Hawkeye, guess who is broody? Yup, Miss Silkie with all the personality. Its a little ironic because that is of course the reason I wanted her in the first place but I've so enjoyed my little buddy who follows me everywhere talking to me that I'm going to miss her for the next few weeks. Right now she is sharing a nest with Miss Broody Duck (yes, I know, I should take pics because how often do you see a duck and a silkie brooding together?) but tonight I'm going to move her to one of my little broody coops and put some of the OE eggs under her that are in my incubator. They're already on day 5 so she gets a head start.

Also, the hen we did the bumblefoot surgery on, on Friday, was in the nest box today! I fully expected after that "trauma" that she would stop laying for awhile but it seems nothing is going to slow her down. I would say she is limping a little less than she was, but she still has the bandage on with cotton ball and there is still a little limp to her gait due to the big lump of cotton on the underside of her foot. Thank you again so much for your help with her!

The only thing I would add to the discussion about heritage birds vs. hatchery layers is that a bird bred to the SOP is less likely to have some of the egg laying issues that plague the hatchery birds. I used to think the SOP didn't matter unless you were showing, but through a lot of research in the past few weeks I've come to realize that there are reasons the traits outlined in the SOP were chosen in the first place. For example, a bird with wide-set legs has more room for its reproductive organs, than one that is knock-kneed, which leads to easier passage of eggs. Likewise, a bird with a pinched tail is more likely to have egg laying issues than one whose tail conforms to what is optimum for its breed (varies from breed to breed).

When it comes to dual purpose breeds, a bird with a nice, full breast, will have more meat than one that has a concave shaped breast. And so on.

This is what made me decide not to breed any more of my barnyard mutts (other than the OE and project birds) and instead focus on getting better quality stock. I won't cull my current birds because I have an emotional attachment to each and every one, but as they age out and die off, I won't be replacing them with more mixes - instead I will replace them with a better quality bird. Sometimes it is a bit of an investment up front to get the initial good quality birds but once they are laying, it won't cost any extra to hatch and raise the offspring of the good quality birds than it would to hatch and raise a barnyard mix. However I don't even feel that my initial investment has been that much more. I paid $12/apiece for Frank Reece pullets and cockerel that were 16 weeks old at the time. If I had paid $2-3 at a feed store for a chick and then run a heat lamp and put feed into them to grow them to 16 weeks of age, I'd have close to $12/apiece in them anyway.
 
No geese hatched yet but they are still making noise. It makes me an nervous wreck. One egg isn't pipped yet. I sure hope it does. I love these little guys.
I need to set a bunch of eggs that I don't have in the incubators yet. They sure collect quickly once laying season begins.
You know this already but WALK AWAY FROM THE 'BATOR! I can't help myself, when they are hatching I am in there every 5 minutes to check on their progress, which of course most times hasn't changed since 5 minutes ago. Last Wednesday I had a gift in that I had to go out for about 6 hours. There was one that had been pipped for so long before I left and I'd seen no sign of life since, that I really thought it had died after pipping. But when I returned after the 6 hours, it was a chick, mostly fluffed out and walking quite well around the incubator. Had I been here, I'd have driven myself nuts checking on it.

Anyway, good luck with the geese - are these the Sebbies?
 
sarajoy, I do have the Fleming Outdoors automatic door, I have had it for over a year, probably going on two years & I just love it. I like that it closes up & down instead of out.
Thanks for the input, Trish.... Is part of what "got fixed" the thing about coons/predators being able to pry it open? That would be my big concern I think. Sara
 
Thanks for the input, Trish.... Is part of what "got fixed" the thing about coons/predators being able to pry it open? That would be my big concern I think. Sara

No, that was never the issue that I know of. They replaced the door with an aluminum one & I see no way anything could pry that up once it closes. It's just as secure as the pullet shut door.
 
Danz and Deerfield - I like the idea of heritage breeds. So in the next few years as I go to replace my layers, I will keep you two in mind for pullets to replace my flock.

Also, I have been talking everyone up that has chicks to sell to my friends in the area that are thinking about getting into raising chickens. So if by some odd chance you get contacted by some city folk in the KC area, it was probably me. ;)
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I can see the benefits of having the good heritage birds for breeding definitely & in fact that is what I have been working on myself. I'm also excited to get the new Speckled Sussex chicks, I can't wait! I don't know if I would go so far as to say you should just get them for your laying flock. If you're not concerned about how much money you spend on birds & aren't getting very many, then go for it, but I have to agree to disagree with you Karen about getting them for general purpose laying flock. I get new chicks every year for my laying flock just so I have staggered ages & some new layers coming up. Otherwise you have a gap of several months when you have very few hens producing because the older ones either went into molt & aren't laying or they're cutting back & the new younger ones haven't started yet. Replacing birds that often with more expensive heritage birds doesn't make sense to me for just eggs. So I guess what I'm saying is that you have to decide what your real goals are if they're just for a few hens for eggs for your family & maybe a few extra to sell or give away or if you're going to try to breed & sell birds. I have had chickens in the past just for personaly egg use & sold a few extras here & there. Now I have gotten into the breeding & hatching chicks so of course I want better stock for that purpose. But I still like the hatchery birds just for general purpose laying flock.
I'm good with that. I think having all these different perspectives is a good thing. So no matter what one chooses there's support here for that.

I am still sick with this sinus infection. DH told me to go to the doctor today cause I was sneezing and coughing last night and driving him nuts. Believe me I was more miserable than he was!!!
At least the sun is shining here right now. Doesn't help a lot with all the snow out there but at least if you only look up it looks good.
I hope some of you newer people don't think we are chicken snobs. There is nothing wrong with a group of chicks regardless of breeding, for eggs or companions.
My attitudes changed because I was loosing money breeding just normal hatchery stock. But then I got into admiring and appreciating the awesome quality of the true pure bred birds.
That being said, many of the rare and highly sought after birds are conceived by selective breeding to get colors or other traits. There is nothing wrong with that as long as it is done with the breeding ending with particular standards in mind. And of course as long as someone is still trying to maintain birds of the original type.
My passion for Breda fowl is one of these examples. It is said that they have been used to make many of the modern breeds of chicken. So much so, that the original bird became extinct in the U.S. back in the 19th century.
I feel privileged to be able to own an ancient breed. By the same token the Swedish flower hens and many of the other new imports were bred by crossing various breeds either naturally or via a breeding program. And the Aloha program is another example.
I've found that the old barnyard mix birds turn out to be the hardiest and strongest birds so there are good sides to both.
My point is to make sure you all understand almost all of us have some of these less than perfect birds and we love them as much as the expensive birds.
You said it, Danz. We're not thumbing our noses at anyone with hatchery birds because we'd have to thumb at ourselves! And talk about the cutest most lovable chickens on the planet who wouldn't have to ever lay an egg to serve a good purpose, Hawkeye's Silkie's are the most precious birds ever. Their purpose is to make you fall in love with them and they are great at it! I'm going to have a couple of those one of these days. Just have to build an appropriate shelter for them before taking the plunge.

I bought 3 Speckled Sussex (gasp) hatchery chicks myself this spring and I'm not sorry I did! I have project Alohas that aren't breeder quality anything but I have a standard in mind as I work on the project. There's nothing like hybrid vigor, too! So I have my main focus but I'm not excluding anyone's approach because what works for us as individuals contributes to our collective knowledge pool. There are some really experienced people here, checoukan, Danz and others and everyone has their own approach and that's what makes it all so interesting.


Dont' you just love march weather?
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We slipped by with some snow, but not much over 2 inches I think, course it was melting as it fell too.

Someone was talking about "Rainbow Chickens". The only rainbow that I know of are from a small hatchery in Georgia I believe. These birds were bred to be a meat chicken. We did get some of them one year when we ordered our "Red Rangers" for the kids and the broiler project. They do get to be a large meat bird, but, I still like to raise the white cornish crosses for my broilers. They are so much more easier to pluck. Im thinking that I seen some red rangers in one of the hatchery catalogs. Yes, Yes, I get those catalogs too, and I love to look thru them. Nice way to send a cold winter's day.
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Danz~~ sounds like you have what I had, took me almost 2 months to clear up from it. I also went thru two rounds of antibiotics, and finally shook it. It was awful!.

I am a little confused as to why so many of the chicks are dying. I am wondering if the feed is not right. Course, the weather is not the best right now, but that should not be bothering the chicks that much. I would make sure if you buy any more chicks to get the chick probiotic packets, I know I seen them at tractor supply, mix, makes a gel, and feed the babies that, they usually eat that gel real fast. Make sure you disinfect your chick areas with a virus-cide like oxine, or tek-trol. If babies have died, and you get new ones, and didn't clean that area with a virus-cide, you are asking for problems. I even spray tek-trol on my eggs before I put them into the incubator. Never had any problems with sick chicks.

I was just thinking, if you are buying chick starter, be sure that you check the date of manufacture. I seen some feed that was almost 7 months out from manufacture. If it is a medicated feed, any meds that were in the feed would be gone. Yes, I DO feed a medicated starter, I think the chicks do better, course, may chicks are bred for show, but I do hatch and sell mixed babies for layers, and they get the same feed.

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Me, too! I love looking through hatchery catalogs or I go online and check them out. I couldn't believe it was snowing again today either. What a nuisance -- sorry I love the precipitation just hate the cold. That's something I should have mentioned was using Tek-Trol on eggs before you put them in the incubator. It really does make a difference, although, then you get some smarty pants like HEChicken, who takes her eggs through x-ray, packed in a suitcase and comes out with 16 of 18 and only one was infertile!
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Wild! That's a very good suggestion to check the expiration dates on the med chick starter. I never do but am going to start.

Sarajoy, I'm so thrilled to hear your little Roo is doing so well! I'm just amazed he's got both eyes open and going strong. That's just great! That's very interesting stuff about how the Pyrs go through certain developmental phases.

I've been so busy today and am so happy to sit down and catch up. Well, people, we're one day closer to warmer weather! Woot!
 
Trish44, my response to your post didn't adequately express what I was actually trying to say so I'll try again. What I was actually thinking was, "Gee, I didn't think of that!" And thank goodness there are hatchery birds to choose from! Hatcheries do serve a valuable purpose. I just want to be a part of preserving the old breeds even with my layers for the family. If I were selling eggs to customers, would I reconsider? I don't know for sure, but it's very possible.
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I have to disagree with you Sara Joy on the LGD. I believe it is more what they are bred for than anything. You either have a dog with good instinct or you don't. My dogs protect the property and what is on it and it doesn't matter if it is a goat or a chicken. They are keeping what belongs safe and what doesn't out. A firm NO! as a puppy will teach them to leave them alone. I've not lost any birds to a dog and I've had lots and lots of puppies around here.
If you shut them up together as youngsters in a small area, you are going to have problems however, because boredom will take over common sense. Once that dog has reached a certain stage of maturity it will understand what to protect. I believe that exposure to things like chicks is the only way for a dog to learn what is okay and what isn't.
My older dogs came from goat stock as puppies but I keep my pups trained to chickens, ducks, and such beginning at birth. A LGD will pounce toward a bird from time to time for fun but a good dog will never grab one. Pyrenees are naturally food aggressive so they may chase the chickens from their food bowl, but the chickens learn equally as fast they aren't going to get hurt and come right back. We will have to agree to disagree on this matter I guess.
HeChicken you are right. I keep checking and it's insane to let these geese drive me nuts. I ignore my hatcher most of the time until the cheeping inside gets loud. But yes, these are Sebbies and not only do I love them to death but they are very valuable birds. Nothing has happened all day and it really worries me. Thank goodness I have a full view door so I don't have to open it to look in.
My stupid water was frozen today when I went out. That sure makes me work harder. And it snowed really hard while I was out there working too. What the heck. It's supposed to be spring.
I got my first egg from the Red Bourbons since I moved the big boy in with them and the darn thing was frozen!!! Aarg!!!
I really need to build a different shelter for them. They were laying every day in the other pen and little shelter. So one more project to add to the never ending list when it warms up outside.
I've got way too many projects going on to ever say never when it comes to chickens. As soon as I move out some of my birds I am ready to start breeding my own red stars. There's nothing about them that are anything but hatchery birds other than the two roosters I am using for the breeding. They just happened to be special boys but it wouldn't matter in this case. I am breeding walking egg factories and the cockerels will all be separated and sold as meat birds.
I think these discussions open our eyes to things we don't always think about and that is a good thing. I just feel regardless of whatever else I do it is important to do my part in preserving some heritage breeds along the way.
I believe in having two kinds of birds. Those that are there for practical purposes and to make money with and those that are there for the eye candy. Luckily some can server both purposes.
 
WELCOME to the Kansas thread!  What part of KS are you in?  Where did you get dominiques??  Curious if they are hatchery or breeder.  They are really pretty.


Thanks everyone for the good ole' Kansas "howdies" !

We are near Kingman. Grew up in Medicine Lodge & DH in Attica. DH manages Newberry Family Motors Ford in Kingman & I'm a SAHM. We have 4 sons ranging in age from 15 to 6 ;)

My chooks coop will be a lean-to off our old barn (built 1940s). Their's a small portion of the flooring that is concrete and has a turkey print on it. I told DH it was a sign, ha! I'm hoping one of my hens will brood us some Narragansett turkey eggs next spring....

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Black trash bags are full of decomposing leaves for my garden, so will be gone soon. Will send picts of interior when done. Boy's want to hang an old porch swing inside for me to sit & cuddle with my new babies, ha!

The guineas will be in a separate coop in our wood shed which is connected to our fenced in yard where our garden will be. Planning on clipping their wings to keep them from roaming but understand this still may not work from all I'm reading. If it does, looking forward to them being pest prevention ;)

Had originally planned on ordering from McMurray's as my mom highly recommends them but ended up going with our local feed store, Kingman General Store. Just recently opened under new management & wanted to help them out. They order from Welp Hatchery. Decided on the Dominiques because I want my flock to be comprised of mainly rare or endangered breeds that free range well, make good broody mamas & are still docile enough to enjoy. Am I asking for too much, ha! Maybe they'll even scramble their eggs for us, ah! Will also be adding Delawares at some point...

Looking forward to future gabs with you all! Have a great week!
 

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