Corn and Soy free......?

[7 Biddies]

Where in NY are you? I have Countryside shipped to me, and the shipping is hard to swallow. I'm down in WNY, near the PA border.

The shipping is tough. I just checked with Scratch and Peck Feed on the left coast, and they charge $550 for shipping a one ton minimum order - (50) 40# bags. No way, no how I can afford that. You might consider checking with a feed store and see if they'd be willing to order it and, with luck, you can find some people who are willing to preorder a certain number of bags with you so the store won't have to worry about not selling it.

 

[Nambroth]

The shipping is tough. I just checked with Scratch and Peck Feed on the left coast, and they charge $550 for shipping a one ton minimum order - (50) 40# bags. No way, no how I can afford that. You might consider checking with a feed store and see if they'd be willing to order it and, with luck, you can find some people who are willing to preorder a certain number of bags with you so the store won't have to worry about not selling it.

Yeah-- it's rough! I have checked with my local and semi-local feed stores and was told that there is not enough interest. One feed store doesn't even carry any organic because they couldn't sell it, and the other says that they have a contract with Blue Seal for their "organic" line.

 

[7 Biddies]

Yeah-- it's rough! I have checked with my local and semi-local feed stores and was told that there is not enough interest. One feed store doesn't even carry any organic because they couldn't sell it, and the other says that they have a contract with Blue Seal for their "organic" line.

That's why I suggested you get a group together to preorder so the store can feel confident they'll sell it. Each person can ask for a specific number of bags until the shipment is all taken. Put up fliers in the grocery store, local school, and feed store. Put an add in the paper. Check with people at the local farmers' markets. Put up a sign in the health food stores and local library. I'm sure you'll find people who are in the same boat. Also, there seems to be a national web site called Poultry Meetup with groups in various states where people post questions and sell poultry. They frequently have meetings about chicken keeping and other events.

Try: www.chicken.meetup.com/cities/us/ny/new_york/ Surely, it'll lead you to folks in your area who are looking for organic feed, too.

Good luck and let us know what happens. ~ The Old Biddy

 

[Melabella]

That's why I suggested you get a group together to preorder so the store can feel confident they'll sell it. Each person can ask for a specific number of bags until the shipment is all taken. Put up fliers in the grocery store, local school, and feed store. Put an add in the paper. Check with people at the local farmers' markets. Put up a sign in the health food stores and local library. I'm sure you'll find people who are in the same boat. Also, there seems to be a national web site called Poultry Meetup with groups in various states where people post questions and sell poultry. They frequently have meetings about chicken keeping and other events.

Try: www.chicken.meetup.com/cities/us/ny/new_york/ Surely, it'll lead you to folks in your area who are looking for organic feed, too.

Good luck and let us know what happens. ~ The Old Biddy

Biddy,

How nice of you to post that link for me! I will jump all over that. Great idea about putting up fliers at the school, grocery and the like. There is a great shipping store that TONS of people go to and he has a huge bulliten board you can put up a flier for just about anything. Dont know why I didn't think about it earier.

Cheers!

MB

 

[Melabella]

Where in NY are you? I have Countryside shipped to me, and the shipping is hard to swallow. I'm down in WNY, near the PA border.

I am in Dutchess County, about 90 miles N of NYC. I was going to post a notice in the Southern Dutchess and lower thread to see if anyone is interested. I am willing to get the shipment, but can't get stuck with tons of bags of feed either to spoil and feed the mice.

too bad we aren't a bit closer!

MB

 

[Soy Free LIfe]

I once asked the same question regarding soy to a cancer survivor who had been raising chickens much longer than I had. We were talking about going in together on a large order of organic chicken feed. One of the feeds we were looking had organic soy in it, and she still didn't want any soy even if it was organic. She was adamant about avoiding soy at all costs. I didn't know she was a cancer survivor at the time, but she told me the standard phytic acid, genistein, hemaglutinin and additional goitrogens and GMO stuff, but later directed me to an insightful book written in 1972.

In the book, "Nutritional Rudiments in Cancer" by S.M. Jones M.D PhD. indicates, "A trophoblast (cluster of rapidly dividing cells) is brought into being by a chain reaction which involves estrogen. Then logically it would follow that an unnaturally high exposure to these substances would be a factor that favored the onset of cancer."

[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Trebuchet, Lucida Sans Unicode, Lucida Grande, Arial, sans-serif]After this and more research upon soy, I too, vehemently avoid soy in my diet to the point that, I won't feed it to my chickens. Soy free seems is a trend that growing not for political reason, but nutritional interests. Although Abbott Labs and many other experts and claiming the estrogen in soy is NOT human estrogen, it is plant based estrogen and is different. To me I am not going to wait until double blind studies results are in. What is definitely know is that the estrogen in soy does block estrogen receptors. I have continued to read more about soy and it's place in our bodies, and I believe we shouldn't be eating soy even if it is organic. [/FONT]

[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Trebuchet, Lucida Sans Unicode, Lucida Grande, Arial, sans-serif]Here is a webpage I created with various links to some of the studies on soy, which helped sway me opinion to give my chickens a soy free diet: [/FONT]

http://www.phoenixorganicfeed.com/why-no-soy.html

Hope someone finds this helpful.
SB

 

[hemet dennis]

I once asked the same question regarding soy to a cancer survivor who had been raising chickens much longer than I had. We were talking about sharing a lot of organic chicken feed. It had organic soy in it, and she still didn't want any soy even if it was organic. She was adament about avoiding soy at all costs. I didn't know she was a cancer survivor at the time, but she told me the standar phytic acid and GMO stuff, but later I was referred to an insightful book.

In the book, "Nutritional Rudiments in Cancer" by S.M. Jones M.D PhD. indicates, "Trophoblast (irregular cell division) cell is brought into being by a chain reaction which involves estrogen or other steroid hormones, then it would follow logically that an unnaturally high exposure to these substances would be a factor that favored the onset of cancer."

[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Trebuchet, Lucida Sans Unicode, Lucida Grande, Arial, sans-serif]So I too, now avoid soy in my diet and I don't feed it to my chickens either and I definitely wouldn't be giving soy formula to babies. Soy free seems is a trend that may be in our best interests. Although supposed experts and claiming the estrogen in soy is NOT human estrogen, it is plant based estrogen and not as bad as it is being portrayed. However studies definitely conclude the estrogen in soy does block estrogen receptors. I have continued to read more about soy and it's place in our bodies, believe it is something we shouldn't be eating even if it is organic. [/FONT]

[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Trebuchet, Lucida Sans Unicode, Lucida Grande, Arial, sans-serif]Here is a webpage I created with various links to the studies on soy and which are the reason I believe we would all be better off avoiding soy completely:[/FONT]
http://www.phoenixorganicfeed.com/why-no-soy.html

Hope someone find this helpful.
SB

Here's a better study of soy.

http://www.cpmedical.net/articles/s...-effect-supports-cholesterol-lowering-ability

Soy became a bigger part of peoples diet after WW 2 and hasn't the life expediency gone up sense then. If you say soy is like eating poison then why do people live longer eating poison ?

 

[chickened]

Soy has been around a long time. http://www.agron.iastate.edu/courses/agron212/Readings/Soy_history.htm

 

[Nambroth]

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Comparing properly fermented soy to unfermented soy is apples to oranges, both nutritionally and chemically. What we (modern food industry) does to soy today to pack it into processed foods is far different than how it was prepared and consumed in the past. Good or bad, the difference is important to note.


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This is some bad science. There are too many variables in the increase in longevity to ever make a statement like that. That, on average, people have a longer lifespan now than before cannot be tied in direct correlation to a single food source (positive or negative).

 

[hemet dennis]

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This is some bad science. There are too many variables in the increase in longevity to ever make a statement like that. That, on average, people have a longer lifespan now than before cannot be tied in direct correlation to a single food source (positive or negative).

So you're saying that people could be consuming a poison in much larger quantities and the average life span would go up ? Gee talk about bad science.