Coronavirus, Covid 19 Discussion and How It Has Affected Your Daily Life Chat Thread

[Hayden Goseek]

Text in purple is factual; text in red is opinion.

Although you have a right to your own body, your choice to willfully be sick ends where another’s right to be healthy begins. For that reason, people who “opt out” of vaccines should be opted out of society.

Freedom doesn’t mean “I can do whatever I want, whenever I want.” You can’t drive without a seatbelt and you can’t ride a motorcycle without a helmet. When we choose to live in a society, there are certain obligations—both moral and legal—to which we are bound. You cannot inflict harm or infringe on the rights and liberties of those around you.

Your moral and legal obligations to the safety of others can even curtail combinations of your rights. Even though consuming alcohol and driving are both legal activities, they are not legal when performed together. Nearly 11,000 people die every year because people choose to exercise their “rights” inappropriately.

The exact same reasoning applies to vaccination.

There is no moral difference between a drunk driver and a willfully unvaccinated person.

I disagree with the author's first opinion; I agree with the last two. The substance of what I posted is factual, though. (Yes, even though it's an op-ed. Op-eds have facts; facts are kind of hard to get away from, actually.)

NO, it is actually ALL opinion. Does anyone believe than the infection rate will be much less than 100% eventually. We chose ( were commanded ) to take the opposite path of the standard treatment in a pandemic. Instead of isolating sick and at risk people we isolated everyone. We will probably never know if that was the correct path though there will be probably be plenty of opinions.
Before you seriously consider the opinions of someone who wants to start to "opt out" their neighbors you may want to consider where that will lead. Civil Wars don't have a 99% survival rate.

 

[KarynVA]

"Instead of isolating sick and at risk people we isolated everyone."

That's because everyone was at risk when this new virus first emerged. Give me an example of someone who was not at risk of covid last year at this time.

It doesn't matter how strong a person's immune system is, this is a virus that no one's system has antibodies for because it's new to humans. So we are all on the same footing; everyone's immune system is inexperienced and unprepared to fight covid.

 

[KarynVA]

Oh, and just an observation, if you feel the need to invoke the threat of "Civil War" in your statement, you're probably not making a rational point.

 

[heatherbeast]

What else can they program into the mRNA to trick the cell into doing/making?

There are some really cool applications in the pipeline. Right now most of them are used to make a single protein that the immune system recognizes and protects against. There are a few vaccines in development for some of the most common lung cancers, since the tumor cells make certain proteins, and possibly an anti-Alzheimer's treatment that can slow or possibly reverse early stages because the target is a protein often found in Alzheimer's plaques.

 

[Hayden Goseek]

Oh, and just an observation, if you feel the need to invoke the threat of "Civil War" in your statement, you're probably not making a rational point.

Actually, it was the suggestion in your post that said we should start "opting out" people.
I just suggested you think about what that means.

 

[KarynVA]

Actually, it was the suggestion in your post that said we should start "opting out" people.
I just suggested you think about what that means.

Please read more carefully. I said in two separate posts that I disagree with that statement by the op-ed author. The author expressed 3 opinions in the op-ed; I disagree with one and agree with the other 2.

 

[RebeccaRN]

Actually, it was the suggestion in your post that said we should start "opting out" people.
I just suggested you think about what that means.

Again, if your taking proper precautions for yourself you shouldn't worry about what others are or are not doing.

 

[KarynVA]

Every time the virus infects another person it introduces more mutations. These mutations can eventually become increasingly dangerous, to you, to me, to all of us.

So, sadly, I do have to worry about what others are or not doing with regard to spreading covid.

 

[RebeccaRN]

Every time the virus infects another person it introduces more mutations. These mutations can eventually become increasingly dangerous, to you, to me, to all of us.

So, sadly, I do have to worry about what others are or not doing with regard to spreading covid.

I guess if you want to live your life in fear of what might happen its your right to do so

 

[RebeccaRN]

States are opening up nobody is forcing anybody to get a vaccine your just gonna have to figure out how to learn to live with that I'm sorry but those are just the facts