Coronavirus, Covid 19 Discussion and How It Has Affected Your Daily Life Chat Thread

[BigBlueHen53]

Sure, if we don't count the vaccine injured.

800,000 plus dead from Covid. How many dead from the vaccine? Two? Three? Oh, possibly six, from blood clots. Oh wait, there's this:

includes 1,637 reports of death following vaccination. After review, the CDC concluded that there was no evidence linking any of those deaths to the COVID-19 vaccines.

Source: https://usafacts.org/articles/covid-vaccine-side-effects-government-data/

 

[saysfaa]

800,000 plus dead from Covid. How many dead from the vaccine? Two? Three? Oh, possibly six, from blood clots. Oh wait, there's this:

includes 1,637 reports of death following vaccination. After review, the CDC concluded that there was no evidence linking any of those deaths to the COVID-19 vaccines.

Source: https://usafacts.org/articles/covid-vaccine-side-effects-government-data/

This is one of the first examples of *no evidence linking the vaccine to the death*

Published in local news in April 2020

Local Doctor Who Passed Away After Vaccine Shot Died of Natural Causes: Medical Examiner

Dr. Gregory Michael, who had worked as an OBGYN at Miami Beach's Mt. Sinai Medical Center for more than a decade, died on January 3rd.

A South Florida doctor who passed away two weeks after receiving his first dose of a COVID-19 vaccine died of natural causes, a medical examiner has ruled.

Dr. Gregory Michael died from complications of immune thrombocytopenia following receipt of the vaccine, according to a Miami-Dade County Medical Examiner's report released Thursday.

Michael, who had worked as an OBGYN at Miami Beach's Mt. Sinai Medical Center for more than a decade, died on January 3rd.

According to the report, the 56-year-old had received the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine on Dec. 19, 2020, and was hospitalized on Dec. 22.

His wife, Heidi Neckelmann, said he had begun experiencing strange symptoms several days after receiving the dose, including small spots on his hands and feet.

He was eventually admitted to the ICU with a diagnosis of acute Idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura (ITP), a rare condition in which the body’s immune system mistakingly attacks cell fragments found in the blood known as platelets. In adults, it can be chronic.
"Two days before a last resort surgery, he got a hemorrhagic stroke caused by the lack of platelets that took his life in a matter of minutes,” Neckelmann wrote in a Facebook post.
The medical examiner's report said there wasn't enough evidence to show whether the vaccine contributed to Michael's death.
"Given the history, autopsy, toxicology, and laboratory findings, the cause of death is complications of immune thrombocytopenia following receipt of SARS-CoV-2 vaccine," the report said. "Based on the circumstances as currently known, the manner of death is natural."

Source of above
https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local...d-of-natural-causes-medical-examiner/2424281/

He didn't have it before the vaccination.
https://www.deccanherald.com/intern...th-after-receiving-pfizer-vaccine-938433.html

I didn't chose this example of a case history because I think the vaccines cause a significant number of this rare blood disorder. There have been around 36 similar but less severe cases (that I can find reference to, even in the misinformation sources) out of millions (tens or hundreds of millions) of people vaccinated.... I didn't track down when the 36 were determined to know which magnitude of millions to use.) If this is the only complication and the rate is one death and 35 nondeadly cases out of enough millions, then I would agree it is safe even if the vaccines don't make much difference. (How much difference the vaccines make being left for a different rabbit trail).

I chose it because of how clear it is and yet it is still deemed natural causes not related to the vaccine.

 

[Brooks_]

800,000 plus dead from Covid. How many dead from the vaccine? Two? Three? Oh, possibly six, from blood clots. Oh wait, there's this:

includes 1,637 reports of death following vaccination. After review, the CDC concluded that there was no evidence linking any of those deaths to the COVID-19 vaccines.

Source: https://usafacts.org/articles/covid-vaccine-side-effects-government-data/

Your point? It is now widely admitted that most died with not of.

 

[CedarLane]

Very few and far between considering how many in the.. world.. have been vaccinated. Nothing compared to the.. deaths.. happening because covid killed.

Probably more than we are aware of.... One of the staff members at my doctor's office is one of the vaccine injured. As I mentioned before, my doctor's office has treated a few (? actual number?) vaccine injuries. One is 30 something who will be in a wheelchair the rest of his life. It matters to him. I trust my doctor. I'm not telling anyone not to get the vaccine (neither is my doctor), but everyone should be able to make an informed choice to do what is right for him/her.
Anyone who chooses not to be vaccinated should be respectful and considerate of others. Stay home if you are sick. Quarrantine if you have been or may have been exposed. Test if possible.

 

[Cynthia12]

Always two sides of... feelings. There will never be an argument, discussion, whatever anyone wants to call it, resolved. I'll just be grateful when this covid is under control. And I believe it will be in one way or another. I've been too caught up in this lately. Doesn't do my health a bit of good. I'd even go as far to say, it isn't doing my soul any good. I got involved with other things a while back where discord was involved. Why? It only causes havoc on me, and all of us. It's never going to be resolved by arguing over it. Discussing it. Do what you want. Hopefully, things work out for you. God Bless us all.

 

[Brooks_]

I get it. We don't see eye to eye. We don't have to. I'll not bother looking for the studies/reports tomorrow. We've all made our minds. I'll leave my job if forced to get vaxxed. More staffing/supply issues to come. I wish you all good health

 

[Cynthia12]

Now back to how this thread was started. How has Covid affected me? I've lost family and friends. That affects my heart and soul. I've tried to discuss my beliefs. That's also ended affecting my heart and soul. Covid has divided us. This makes me sad. I pray that my family stays clear of any negative effects this covid can cause them. Including disliking others for their beliefs. Go away covid!

 

[Ninjasquirrel]

Still applies...the outweigh thing.. don't need another report. We can clearly see that the vaccine is working, against death.

I wouldnt mind seeing it but in the interest of the thread you can PM me your research.

 

[Ninjasquirrel]

I get it. We don't see eye to eye. We don't have to. I'll not bother looking for the studies/reports tomorrow. We've all made our minds. I'll leave my job if forced to get vaxxed. More staffing/supply issues to come. I wish you all good health

If you do choose to do the research can you PM me your findings? Id be very interested in that data. As Ive said I havent been able to acquire it myself

 

[Ninjasquirrel]

Now back to how this thread was started. How has Covid affected me? I've lost family and friends. That affects my heart and soul. I've tried to discuss my beliefs. That's also ended up by affecting my heart and soul. Covid has divided us. This makes me sad. I pray that my family stays clear of any negative effects this covid can cause them. Including disliking others for their beliefs. Go away covid!

To be or not to be. Whether it is nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous misfortune. Or to take arms against a sea of troubles. And by opposing...end them.
A truely magnificent debate to consider. Even out of context.