Coronavirus, Covid 19 Discussion and How It Has Affected Your Daily Life Chat Thread

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Among the reasons for respecting the choice to not get vaccinated.

And because this is not over - NY teachers's court case will not be heard, etc.

And because some people do not do well after the covid vaccinations. M, for one. The young children with severe hepatitis (unrelated to Hepatitis A,B, C, or E) may be others.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S027869152200206X

From the above paper, "...In this paper we will be focusing extensively, though not exclusively, on vaccination-induced type I IFN suppression and the myriad downstream effects this has on the related signaling cascade....

Both IFN-α and IRF9 are also apparently necessary for ... a fully functional BRCA2 gene....

As will be discussed in more detail below, the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein modifies host cell exosome production. Transfection of cells with the spike protein's gene and subsequent SARS-CoV-2 spike glycoprotein production results in those cells generating exosomes containing microRNAs that suppress IRF9 production while activating a range of pro-inflammatory gene transcripts (Mishra and Banerjea, 2021). Since these vaccines are specifically designed to induce high and ongoing production of SARS-CoV-2 spike glycoproteins, the implications are ominous. As described above, inhibition of IRF9 will suppress TRAIL and all its regulatory and downstream apoptosis-inducing effects. IRF9 suppression via exosomal microRNA should also be expected to impair the ... effects of BRCA2 gene activity, which depends on that molecule for its activity as described above....

In a study conducted by Suberbielle et al. (2015), reduced levels of BRCA1 were found in the brains of Alzheimer's patients (Suberbielle et al., 2015). Furthermore, experiments with knocking down neuronal BRCA1 in the dentate gyrus of mice showed that DNA double-strand breaks were increased, along with neuronal shrinkage and impairments in synaptic plasticity, learning and memory...."
 
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Update on my sister's mother-in-law, M.

The rehab place where M is extended their lock down another three days. When M's son (my brother in law's brother) was allowed in, M cried. She said she didn't think she would ever see anyone she knew again. She asked why she was there and why strangers keep asking her to do things. She also ate more than she had the whole week of the lockdown. The Saturday, "she is eating a drinking more" report during the lockdown turned out to be a few bites and a few sips.

No one can know whether this support would have been enough to support a recovery if it had not been interrupted by the lockdown. As it is, it was not enough. Her advanced directive specified no feeding tube. And she has steadily declined.

By last Saturday (day before yesterday), the family could not understand any responses she made although the nurses said they could tell whether she was saying yes or no when they asked if she was in pain.

Yesterday, even that much response has gone.
 
Among the reasons for respecting the choice to not get vaccinated.

And because this is not over - NY teachers's court case will not be heard, etc.

And because some people do not do well after the covid vaccinations. M, for one. The young children with severe hepatitis (unrelated to Hepatitis A,B, C, or E) may be others.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S027869152200206X

From the above paper, "...In this paper we will be focusing extensively, though not exclusively, on vaccination-induced type I IFN suppression and the myriad downstream effects this has on the related signaling cascade....

Both IFN-α and IRF9 are also apparently necessary for ... a fully functional BRCA2 gene....

As will be discussed in more detail below, the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein modifies host cell exosome production. Transfection of cells with the spike protein's gene and subsequent SARS-CoV-2 spike glycoprotein production results in those cells generating exosomes containing microRNAs that suppress IRF9 production while activating a range of pro-inflammatory gene transcripts (Mishra and Banerjea, 2021). Since these vaccines are specifically designed to induce high and ongoing production of SARS-CoV-2 spike glycoproteins, the implications are ominous. As described above, inhibition of IRF9 will suppress TRAIL and all its regulatory and downstream apoptosis-inducing effects. IRF9 suppression via exosomal microRNA should also be expected to impair the ... effects of BRCA2 gene activity, which depends on that molecule for its activity as described above....

In a study conducted by Suberbielle et al. (2015), reduced levels of BRCA1 were found in the brains of Alzheimer's patients (Suberbielle et al., 2015). Furthermore, experiments with knocking down neuronal BRCA1 in the dentate gyrus of mice showed that DNA double-strand breaks were increased, along with neuronal shrinkage and impairments in synaptic plasticity, learning and memory...."
They talked about this on the news today. Except they just called it "a mysterious liver illness".

Sorry to hear M isn't getting any better. I'm sure this is a really hard time for you family. Sending my prayers and love♥️
 
I never had a problem with any vaccine including Covid. Since I'm one of those people who had very little symptoms from Covid exposure, I donated my blood for research before I was vaccinated. I suspect my exposure to various corona viruses while working as a LVT gave me cross immunity. On the other hand my husband became severely ill at the beginning of the pandemic. Since everybody was running around in circles at that time, he remained at home. He survived and was eventually vaccinated with the JJ vaccine. No problem with that vaccine but when he was boostered with Pfizer vaccine he had mild symptoms but recovered in a day. All I can say is I'm glad our ancestors didn't freak out over vaccinations they way people do now days.
 
I never had a problem with any vaccine including Covid. Since I'm one of those people who had very little symptoms from Covid exposure, I donated my blood for research before I was vaccinated. I suspect my exposure to various corona viruses while working as a LVT gave me cross immunity. On the other hand my husband became severely ill at the beginning of the pandemic. Since everybody was running around in circles at that time, he remained at home. He survived and was eventually vaccinated with the JJ vaccine. No problem with that vaccine but when he was boostered with Pfizer vaccine he had mild symptoms but recovered in a day. All I can say is I'm glad our ancestors didn't freak out over vaccinations they way people do now days.
The only reason people like me are "freaking out" is because generally vaccines go through a trial period to determine long term effects. That wasn't done with these particular vaccines because there wasn't time. Also the problem is that they were trying to make it required to get it. A lot of issues became of that because some religions have an issue with the fact that stem cells from aborted fetuses are used in vaccines. Not trying to argue with you just saying why people had an issue.
 
Any questioning, any looking deeper than "safe and effective" seems to be seen as "freaking out"? :th

We have very different definitions of "freaking out". Or maybe it is just coincidence such an observation was made of unspecified other people. No problem.

This makes a LOT of sense to me, even without anything in my family connections to push the research.

The mRNA is not new as a concept or an attempt to vaccinate. That it failed many times concerns me less than why it failed in the previous attempts. Also, and especially, what was done differently this time (nothing that I've been able to find).

"...Since long-term pre-clinical and Phase I safety trials were combined with Phase II trials, then phase II and III trials were combined (Kwok, 2021); and since even those were terminated early and placebo arms given the injections, we look to the pharmacosurveillance system and published reports for safety signals. In doing so, we find that that evidence is not encouraging. The biological response to mRNA vaccination as it is currently employed is demonstrably not similar to natural infection. ...

It is now clear that the antibodies induced by the vaccines fade in as little as 3–10 weeks after the second dose (Shrotri et al., 2021), such that people are being advised to seek booster shots at regular intervals (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 2021b). Furthermore, it has become clear that the vaccines do not prevent transmission of the disease, but can only be claimed to reduce symptom severity (Kampf, 2021a). A study comparing vaccination rates with COVID-19 infection rates across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States in early September, 2021, found no correlation between the two, suggesting that these vaccines do not protect from spread of the disease (Subramanian and Kumar, 2947). Regarding symptom severity, even this aspect is beginning to be in doubt...

The increasing evidence that the vaccines do little to control disease spread and that their effectiveness wanes over time make it even more imperative to assess the degree to which the vaccines might cause harm. That SARS-CoV-2 modified spike protein mRNA vaccinations have biological impacts is without question. Here we attempt to distinguish those impacts from natural infection, and establish a mechanistic framework linking those unique biological impacts to pathologies now associated with vaccination...."
 
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For what it is worth (nothing, of course), I'm not looking for people to agree with me. I'm willing to let other people make different decisions based on their research and experiences of their own and people they know.

I keep taking about it because the precedents for forcing everyone to get it or anything similar or perceived as similar are being formed now. At a global level as well as national and state levels.
 
I never had a problem with any vaccine including Covid. Since I'm one of those people who had very little symptoms from Covid exposure, I donated my blood for research before I was vaccinated. I suspect my exposure to various corona viruses while working as a LVT gave me cross immunity. On the other hand my husband became severely ill at the beginning of the pandemic. Since everybody was running around in circles at that time, he remained at home. He survived and was eventually vaccinated with the JJ vaccine. No problem with that vaccine but when he was boostered with Pfizer vaccine he had mild symptoms but recovered in a day. All I can say is I'm glad our ancestors didn't freak out over vaccinations they way people do now days.
I am not freaking out. I just choose not to get the vaccine.
 
Oh Lord, you should have heard the things I've had to put up with: Getting a microchip implanted while vaccinated, my DNA was being changed, vaccinated people were transmitters of disease and so forth. I've lost a lot of friends from Covid. One was vaccinated the others were not. The vaccinated one was an obese, diabetic, alcoholic who refused to limit her exposure and travelled North to see friends. She was exposed and returned home to die from complications of Covid. Sadly, a few of the folks she visited also died from Covid. Now I don't have many friends alive. Years ago I remember my mother telling me how alone she felt since she out-lived most of her friends. I now know how she felt.
 
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