Coronavirus, Covid 19 Discussion and How It Has Affected Your Daily Life Chat Thread

[KRack]

Well, corruption probably exists everywhere to some extent, but that doesn't mean that states are interested in exterminating their taxpayers with fake/useless vaccines. I think it's exactly the opposite - the healthier and richer the taxpayer, the better.

I think the problem was completely different - there was too little time. If Covid had been spreading very gradually, over decades, it would have been possible to conduct tests, keep statistics, take volunteers for long-term studies, and conduct calm work in laboratories. But that wasn't the case. Covid came out of nowhere, a vaccine was needed urgently, people were dying - and that's it, as a result no one had time for long-term research. And they had to throw vaccines on the market that they didn't have many years to test.

I think if pharmaceutical companies wanted to deceive people and get money for nothing, they would not risk inventing any vaccines - they could just inject some glucose, empty saline solution, without wasting time or money on creating vaccines. Or follow the path described in 1835 by the Russian writer Gogol, the so-called "Dead Souls". This is when a person does not exist, but on paper he exists. Sit, do nothing and vaccinate non-existent people, just getting money. And everything would be easier - no need to force anyone to get vaccinated, and no need to deal with any side effects of vaccination. Sit, do nothing, and get money.
But for some reason pharmaceutical companies went the other way, for some reason they began to vaccinate real people, risking their image.
So we can conclude that they are doing work, and are not engaged in theft and corruption. Although yes, I would not reject some degree of corruption, maybe there is something somewhere, but on a small level, and not on a massive scale.

But then how to you explain the fact that they kept saying “safe and effective” when what little data they had and did not share
showed there were in fact possible serious side effects?

Also, have you looked in to those companies track records? Intentional censorship and corruption is not foreign to them.

 

[Pasha838]

100% Agree with this. Fasting and prayer works wonders at keeping the demons away.
For those who suffer with no medical help, what have you got to lose? Turn to God, ask Him to help heal your body, mind and spirit. Fast and offer up each skipped meal for your healing. Knock and He will answer. Ask and you shall receive. God bless us all.

I think so too. Some people for some reason contrast religion and science, but for me everything is one and interconnected. As far as I know, when God created a human, He gave him reason and it is quite logical that human, having received this reason, began to use it, doing science and medicine. It was for this reason that reason was given to him, so that he could study and explore this world. But if a person goes against God and religion, no medicine will help him, God will simply deprive him of reason and that's it. And the person will start making a lot of mistakes and eventually die, stupidly and senselessly. However, this is my personal opinion, and I am neither a serious scientist nor a theologian. I am just an ordinary person with my own opinion.

 

[Pasha838]

But then how to you explain the fact that they kept saying “safe and effective” when what little data they had and did not share
showed there were in fact possible serious side effects?

Also, have you looked in to those companies track records? Intentional censorship and corruption is not foreign to them.

I think they were just trying to avoid even bigger problems. If the vaccines were considered dangerous, no one would get vaccinated, and that would have led to an even bigger epidemic. And the choice was between insufficiently tested, hastily made vaccines, and their complete absence during the epidemic. I think at the stage they were at, they simply did not have enough information. Much like people of the past. For example, if you study, I don’t know (I’ll give examples from what I know for sure) ancient architecture in the country where I was born, here ancient palaces were built with the active use of lead. Special paints, enamels were produced, and they were used to paint the palaces where the nobility lived.
And only later, several centuries later, it turned out that lead is actually poisonous and leads to a decrease in life expectancy.
I also know the story about the material asbestos, from which cheap stove pipes for small summer houses were made in the USSR. They were produced in large quantities, and everyone bought them, but there were no general statistics. And only later, years later, it turned out that asbestos is carcinogenic and harmful to health. No one died from it obviously, and without long-term and extensive use, it was impossible to guess what was wrong there.

Nowadays these pipes are still actively produced. True, they have almost stopped using them for furnaces, and are used for purposes not related to heating, and in this position they do not emit (or almost do not emit) harmful substances). Well, and in the automobile industry, as I heard, they began to refuse asbestos gaskets and make them from other materials.
The same story with radioactive materials - when they just got into people's hands, everyone thought that they were completely safe and even tried to use them in agriculture to increase plant growth (!). Similar experiments, I heard, were conducted in the USSR and the USA, although they did not receive widespread distribution. And only after them it became clear that making garden tools from weapons-grade plutonium (I'm exaggerating a little, of course) is not the best idea. But without practice and statistics it was impossible to find out.

I think any innovation requires a long test and time, and if there is no time, it is impossible to know how good or bad it is. Be that as it may, I believe that having received statistical data, pharmaceutical companies adjusted their technologies and production. At least judging by Russian vaccines - after the first, several others, more advanced ones appeared. Well, yes, if we take the Russian history of vaccines - at first, covid came to our country very little, there was almost none. But our doctors and scientists flew en masse ... to Italy, where there were difficulties in hospitals, they ran a lot there, helped, studied. Some people were surprised - why is our country suddenly forcing its doctors to go to a country that is part of the unfriendly NATO bloc, spending money on this mass travel, sending some portable hospitals there, hanging around there to treat and vaccinate someone.
Why is there such strange kindness and generosity towards countries that impose economic sanctions against us? It was all simple - our doctors and scientists needed experience in fighting the epidemic. Because there was very little COVID in Russia. And when COVID began to spread more actively, doctors returned from there with some experience, and the Russian vaccine turned out to be relatively successful. As a result, we came out of this situation with somewhat fewer losses.

At the same time, the Italian side, it seems, did not understand anything - why did Russian doctors suddenly come to Italy and work hard there, set up hospitals and run between hospital beds with oxygen, then with something else, simultaneously spending a lot of money on aviation, street hospitals, etc.
And we simply gained experience before the epidemic hit our country. Therefore, the latest vaccines were already somewhat tested, although I will not undertake to judge their ideality. Maybe many years later, some bad side effects will also be discovered on them, which we do not know about now.

The US found itself in a more difficult and dangerous situation - the fact is that in Russia people travel very little. Most often, everyone sits at home, and goes on vacation - well, somewhere to a nearby dacha, where they grow cucumbers and tomatoes near a small summer house. And the US is quite a trading country, people travel a lot, and the volume of foreign goods and specialists coming and going is quite large. Therefore, the epidemic hit harder and more suddenly. And in Russia... In Russia, there are cities from which no one goes anywhere beyond the suburbs (to go for a walk in the forest to pick mushrooms), covid never came to such cities at all. It simply was not there. By the time it got there, people had long since been vaccinated.

This is because of the different lifestyle - people here travel very little, almost never go to restaurants, cinemas are empty here because people prefer to watch TV at home and not go anywhere, and this was the case long before Covid. As a result of this lifestyle, the epidemic spread slowly. Although in large commercial cities, yes, there were difficulties, and a large number of patients in hospitals. But, according to one doctor I know, two neighboring hospitals in the area where I live have not encountered Covid at all. They were planned to receive patients, they thought they would have to close entire buildings so that dangerously infected patients could stay there, but ... It ended in nothing. The patients did not come, they were not there. And the hospitals continued to work according to the old scheme, doing their usual things. Based on this, I can assume that isolating people during a pandemic is still useful. Another thing is that if people are already sick, this will not help them become healthier. The only thing is that their isolation will help others not to get infected from them, that's all.

Well, in fact, I can give you another fact - I personally live near a forest, I rarely communicate with people, and I rarely go to stores, and when there was covid, I wore a mask and avoided traveling. As a result... I never got sick with covid, at all. At the same time, I didn’t even get vaccinated, because I was afraid to go during the declared epidemic, and then... And then I was already too lazy, why should I go somewhere to a hospital, where I’ll have to walk 10 kilometers through the forest or order a taxi from far away, going along a country road and paying money for it. And so it ended in nothing. And now mass vaccination has been canceled here, and I don’t even know whether to get vaccinated or not. Apparently, I will only get vaccinated when I go to the city on business, and that will not be before next year...

Of course, I am not a doctor, and it is difficult for me to speak about all this reasonably; I am just a simple man in the street and I do not share information so much as I gossip.

 

[fuzzi]

I think they were just trying to avoid even bigger problems. If the vaccines were considered dangerous, no one would get vaccinated, and that would have led to an even bigger epidemic. And the choice was between insufficiently tested, hastily made vaccines, and their complete absence during the epidemic. I think at the stage they were at, they simply did not have enough information. Much like people of the past. For example, if you study, I don’t know (I’ll give examples from what I know for sure) ancient architecture in the country where I was born, here ancient palaces were built with the active use of lead. Special paints, enamels were produced, and they were used to paint the palaces where the nobility lived.
And only later, several centuries later, it turned out that lead is actually poisonous and leads to a decrease in life expectancy.
I also know the story about the material asbestos, from which cheap stove pipes for small summer houses were made in the USSR. They were produced in large quantities, and everyone bought them, but there were no general statistics. And only later, years later, it turned out that asbestos is carcinogenic and harmful to health. No one died from it obviously, and without long-term and extensive use, it was impossible to guess what was wrong there.

Nowadays these pipes are still actively produced. True, they have almost stopped using them for furnaces, and are used for purposes not related to heating, and in this position they do not emit (or almost do not emit) harmful substances). Well, and in the automobile industry, as I heard, they began to refuse asbestos gaskets and make them from other materials.
The same story with radioactive materials - when they just got into people's hands, everyone thought that they were completely safe and even tried to use them in agriculture to increase plant growth (!). Similar experiments, I heard, were conducted in the USSR and the USA, although they did not receive widespread distribution. And only after them it became clear that making garden tools from weapons-grade plutonium (I'm exaggerating a little, of course) is not the best idea. But without practice and statistics it was impossible to find out.

I think any innovation requires a long test and time, and if there is no time, it is impossible to know how good or bad it is. Be that as it may, I believe that having received statistical data, pharmaceutical companies adjusted their technologies and production. At least judging by Russian vaccines - after the first, several others, more advanced ones appeared. Well, yes, if we take the Russian history of vaccines - at first, covid came to our country very little, there was almost none. But our doctors and scientists flew en masse ... to Italy, where there were difficulties in hospitals, they ran a lot there, helped, studied. Some people were surprised - why is our country suddenly forcing its doctors to go to a country that is part of the unfriendly NATO bloc, spending money on this mass travel, sending some portable hospitals there, hanging around there to treat and vaccinate someone.
Why is there such strange kindness and generosity towards countries that impose economic sanctions against us? It was all simple - our doctors and scientists needed experience in fighting the epidemic. Because there was very little COVID in Russia. And when COVID began to spread more actively, doctors returned from there with some experience, and the Russian vaccine turned out to be relatively successful. As a result, we came out of this situation with somewhat fewer losses.

At the same time, the Italian side, it seems, did not understand anything - why did Russian doctors suddenly come to Italy and work hard there, set up hospitals and run between hospital beds with oxygen, then with something else, simultaneously spending a lot of money on aviation, street hospitals, etc.
And we simply gained experience before the epidemic hit our country. Therefore, the latest vaccines were already somewhat tested, although I will not undertake to judge their ideality. Maybe many years later, some bad side effects will also be discovered on them, which we do not know about now.

The US found itself in a more difficult and dangerous situation - the fact is that in Russia people travel very little. Most often, everyone sits at home, and goes on vacation - well, somewhere to a nearby dacha, where they grow cucumbers and tomatoes near a small summer house. And the US is quite a trading country, people travel a lot, and the volume of foreign goods and specialists coming and going is quite large. Therefore, the epidemic hit harder and more suddenly. And in Russia... In Russia, there are cities from which no one goes anywhere beyond the suburbs (to go for a walk in the forest to pick mushrooms), covid never came to such cities at all. It simply was not there. By the time it got there, people had long since been vaccinated.

This is because of the different lifestyle - people here travel very little, almost never go to restaurants, cinemas are empty here because people prefer to watch TV at home and not go anywhere, and this was the case long before Covid. As a result of this lifestyle, the epidemic spread slowly. Although in large commercial cities, yes, there were difficulties, and a large number of patients in hospitals. But, according to one doctor I know, two neighboring hospitals in the area where I live have not encountered Covid at all. They were planned to receive patients, they thought they would have to close entire buildings so that dangerously infected patients could stay there, but ... It ended in nothing. The patients did not come, they were not there. And the hospitals continued to work according to the old scheme, doing their usual things. Based on this, I can assume that isolating people during a pandemic is still useful. Another thing is that if people are already sick, this will not help them become healthier. The only thing is that their isolation will help others not to get infected from them, that's all.

Well, in fact, I can give you another fact - I personally live near a forest, I rarely communicate with people, and I rarely go to stores, and when there was covid, I wore a mask and avoided traveling. As a result... I never got sick with covid, at all. At the same time, I didn’t even get vaccinated, because I was afraid to go during the declared epidemic, and then... And then I was already too lazy, why should I go somewhere to a hospital, where I’ll have to walk 10 kilometers through the forest or order a taxi from far away, going along a country road and paying money for it. And so it ended in nothing. And now mass vaccination has been canceled here, and I don’t even know whether to get vaccinated or not. Apparently, I will only get vaccinated when I go to the city on business, and that will not be before next year...

Of course, I am not a doctor, and it is difficult for me to speak about all this reasonably; I am just a simple man in the street and I do not share information so much as I gossip.

They lied to us, then mandated people take untested experimental shots for what they claimed was a possible greater good?

And you're okay with that?

Look carefully at the CDC's own numbers before the shots were released.

I'm a widow now because they said "safe and effective".

 

[KRack]

I think they were just trying to avoid even bigger problems. If the vaccines were considered dangerous, no one would get vaccinated, and that would have led to an even bigger epidemic. And the choice was between insufficiently tested, hastily made vaccines, and their complete absence during the epidemic. I think at the stage they were at, they simply did not have enough information. Much like people of the past. For example, if you study, I don’t know (I’ll give examples from what I know for sure) ancient architecture in the country where I was born, here ancient palaces were built with the active use of lead. Special paints, enamels were produced, and they were used to paint the palaces where the nobility lived.
And only later, several centuries later, it turned out that lead is actually poisonous and leads to a decrease in life expectancy.
I also know the story about the material asbestos, from which cheap stove pipes for small summer houses were made in the USSR. They were produced in large quantities, and everyone bought them, but there were no general statistics. And only later, years later, it turned out that asbestos is carcinogenic and harmful to health. No one died from it obviously, and without long-term and extensive use, it was impossible to guess what was wrong there.

Nowadays these pipes are still actively produced. True, they have almost stopped using them for furnaces, and are used for purposes not related to heating, and in this position they do not emit (or almost do not emit) harmful substances). Well, and in the automobile industry, as I heard, they began to refuse asbestos gaskets and make them from other materials.
The same story with radioactive materials - when they just got into people's hands, everyone thought that they were completely safe and even tried to use them in agriculture to increase plant growth (!). Similar experiments, I heard, were conducted in the USSR and the USA, although they did not receive widespread distribution. And only after them it became clear that making garden tools from weapons-grade plutonium (I'm exaggerating a little, of course) is not the best idea. But without practice and statistics it was impossible to find out.

I think any innovation requires a long test and time, and if there is no time, it is impossible to know how good or bad it is. Be that as it may, I believe that having received statistical data, pharmaceutical companies adjusted their technologies and production. At least judging by Russian vaccines - after the first, several others, more advanced ones appeared. Well, yes, if we take the Russian history of vaccines - at first, covid came to our country very little, there was almost none. But our doctors and scientists flew en masse ... to Italy, where there were difficulties in hospitals, they ran a lot there, helped, studied. Some people were surprised - why is our country suddenly forcing its doctors to go to a country that is part of the unfriendly NATO bloc, spending money on this mass travel, sending some portable hospitals there, hanging around there to treat and vaccinate someone.
Why is there such strange kindness and generosity towards countries that impose economic sanctions against us? It was all simple - our doctors and scientists needed experience in fighting the epidemic. Because there was very little COVID in Russia. And when COVID began to spread more actively, doctors returned from there with some experience, and the Russian vaccine turned out to be relatively successful. As a result, we came out of this situation with somewhat fewer losses.

At the same time, the Italian side, it seems, did not understand anything - why did Russian doctors suddenly come to Italy and work hard there, set up hospitals and run between hospital beds with oxygen, then with something else, simultaneously spending a lot of money on aviation, street hospitals, etc.
And we simply gained experience before the epidemic hit our country. Therefore, the latest vaccines were already somewhat tested, although I will not undertake to judge their ideality. Maybe many years later, some bad side effects will also be discovered on them, which we do not know about now.

The US found itself in a more difficult and dangerous situation - the fact is that in Russia people travel very little. Most often, everyone sits at home, and goes on vacation - well, somewhere to a nearby dacha, where they grow cucumbers and tomatoes near a small summer house. And the US is quite a trading country, people travel a lot, and the volume of foreign goods and specialists coming and going is quite large. Therefore, the epidemic hit harder and more suddenly. And in Russia... In Russia, there are cities from which no one goes anywhere beyond the suburbs (to go for a walk in the forest to pick mushrooms), covid never came to such cities at all. It simply was not there. By the time it got there, people had long since been vaccinated.

This is because of the different lifestyle - people here travel very little, almost never go to restaurants, cinemas are empty here because people prefer to watch TV at home and not go anywhere, and this was the case long before Covid. As a result of this lifestyle, the epidemic spread slowly. Although in large commercial cities, yes, there were difficulties, and a large number of patients in hospitals. But, according to one doctor I know, two neighboring hospitals in the area where I live have not encountered Covid at all. They were planned to receive patients, they thought they would have to close entire buildings so that dangerously infected patients could stay there, but ... It ended in nothing. The patients did not come, they were not there. And the hospitals continued to work according to the old scheme, doing their usual things. Based on this, I can assume that isolating people during a pandemic is still useful. Another thing is that if people are already sick, this will not help them become healthier. The only thing is that their isolation will help others not to get infected from them, that's all.

Well, in fact, I can give you another fact - I personally live near a forest, I rarely communicate with people, and I rarely go to stores, and when there was covid, I wore a mask and avoided traveling. As a result... I never got sick with covid, at all. At the same time, I didn’t even get vaccinated, because I was afraid to go during the declared epidemic, and then... And then I was already too lazy, why should I go somewhere to a hospital, where I’ll have to walk 10 kilometers through the forest or order a taxi from far away, going along a country road and paying money for it. And so it ended in nothing. And now mass vaccination has been canceled here, and I don’t even know whether to get vaccinated or not. Apparently, I will only get vaccinated when I go to the city on business, and that will not be before next year...

Of course, I am not a doctor, and it is difficult for me to speak about all this reasonably; I am just a simple man in the street and I do not share information so much as I gossip.

I quite enjoyed that read. The end made me chuckle. Thank you for sharing your perspective. I still don’t agree with you about corruption, but do appreciate giving thought to your view and will keep it in mind.

 

[Ninjasquirrel]

I think they were just trying to avoid even bigger problems. If the vaccines were considered dangerous, no one would get vaccinated, and that would have led to an even bigger epidemic. And the choice was between insufficiently tested, hastily made vaccines, and their complete absence during the epidemic. I think at the stage they were at, they simply did not have enough information. Much like people of the past. For example, if you study, I don’t know (I’ll give examples from what I know for sure) ancient architecture in the country where I was born, here ancient palaces were built with the active use of lead. Special paints, enamels were produced, and they were used to paint the palaces where the nobility lived.
And only later, several centuries later, it turned out that lead is actually poisonous and leads to a decrease in life expectancy.
I also know the story about the material asbestos, from which cheap stove pipes for small summer houses were made in the USSR. They were produced in large quantities, and everyone bought them, but there were no general statistics. And only later, years later, it turned out that asbestos is carcinogenic and harmful to health. No one died from it obviously, and without long-term and extensive use, it was impossible to guess what was wrong there.

Nowadays these pipes are still actively produced. True, they have almost stopped using them for furnaces, and are used for purposes not related to heating, and in this position they do not emit (or almost do not emit) harmful substances). Well, and in the automobile industry, as I heard, they began to refuse asbestos gaskets and make them from other materials.
The same story with radioactive materials - when they just got into people's hands, everyone thought that they were completely safe and even tried to use them in agriculture to increase plant growth (!). Similar experiments, I heard, were conducted in the USSR and the USA, although they did not receive widespread distribution. And only after them it became clear that making garden tools from weapons-grade plutonium (I'm exaggerating a little, of course) is not the best idea. But without practice and statistics it was impossible to find out.

I think any innovation requires a long test and time, and if there is no time, it is impossible to know how good or bad it is. Be that as it may, I believe that having received statistical data, pharmaceutical companies adjusted their technologies and production. At least judging by Russian vaccines - after the first, several others, more advanced ones appeared. Well, yes, if we take the Russian history of vaccines - at first, covid came to our country very little, there was almost none. But our doctors and scientists flew en masse ... to Italy, where there were difficulties in hospitals, they ran a lot there, helped, studied. Some people were surprised - why is our country suddenly forcing its doctors to go to a country that is part of the unfriendly NATO bloc, spending money on this mass travel, sending some portable hospitals there, hanging around there to treat and vaccinate someone.
Why is there such strange kindness and generosity towards countries that impose economic sanctions against us? It was all simple - our doctors and scientists needed experience in fighting the epidemic. Because there was very little COVID in Russia. And when COVID began to spread more actively, doctors returned from there with some experience, and the Russian vaccine turned out to be relatively successful. As a result, we came out of this situation with somewhat fewer losses.

At the same time, the Italian side, it seems, did not understand anything - why did Russian doctors suddenly come to Italy and work hard there, set up hospitals and run between hospital beds with oxygen, then with something else, simultaneously spending a lot of money on aviation, street hospitals, etc.
And we simply gained experience before the epidemic hit our country. Therefore, the latest vaccines were already somewhat tested, although I will not undertake to judge their ideality. Maybe many years later, some bad side effects will also be discovered on them, which we do not know about now.

The US found itself in a more difficult and dangerous situation - the fact is that in Russia people travel very little. Most often, everyone sits at home, and goes on vacation - well, somewhere to a nearby dacha, where they grow cucumbers and tomatoes near a small summer house. And the US is quite a trading country, people travel a lot, and the volume of foreign goods and specialists coming and going is quite large. Therefore, the epidemic hit harder and more suddenly. And in Russia... In Russia, there are cities from which no one goes anywhere beyond the suburbs (to go for a walk in the forest to pick mushrooms), covid never came to such cities at all. It simply was not there. By the time it got there, people had long since been vaccinated.

This is because of the different lifestyle - people here travel very little, almost never go to restaurants, cinemas are empty here because people prefer to watch TV at home and not go anywhere, and this was the case long before Covid. As a result of this lifestyle, the epidemic spread slowly. Although in large commercial cities, yes, there were difficulties, and a large number of patients in hospitals. But, according to one doctor I know, two neighboring hospitals in the area where I live have not encountered Covid at all. They were planned to receive patients, they thought they would have to close entire buildings so that dangerously infected patients could stay there, but ... It ended in nothing. The patients did not come, they were not there. And the hospitals continued to work according to the old scheme, doing their usual things. Based on this, I can assume that isolating people during a pandemic is still useful. Another thing is that if people are already sick, this will not help them become healthier. The only thing is that their isolation will help others not to get infected from them, that's all.

Well, in fact, I can give you another fact - I personally live near a forest, I rarely communicate with people, and I rarely go to stores, and when there was covid, I wore a mask and avoided traveling. As a result... I never got sick with covid, at all. At the same time, I didn’t even get vaccinated, because I was afraid to go during the declared epidemic, and then... And then I was already too lazy, why should I go somewhere to a hospital, where I’ll have to walk 10 kilometers through the forest or order a taxi from far away, going along a country road and paying money for it. And so it ended in nothing. And now mass vaccination has been canceled here, and I don’t even know whether to get vaccinated or not. Apparently, I will only get vaccinated when I go to the city on business, and that will not be before next year...

Of course, I am not a doctor, and it is difficult for me to speak about all this reasonably; I am just a simple man in the street and I do not share information so much as I gossip.

 

[Sammster]

I'm a widow now because they said "safe and effective".

I'm so sorry

 

[No Coop No Problem]

 

[Pasha838]

They lied to us, then mandated people take untested experimental shots for what they claimed was a possible greater good?

And you're okay with that?

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Look carefully at the CDC's own numbers before the shots were released.

I'm a widow now because they said "safe and effective".

Oh, to be honest, as a citizen of a deliberately unfriendly country (Let me remind you that I am a citizen of Russia, I gave an oath to this country - and if my country sends me to bomb unfortunate Ukraine again - I will unquestioningly obey such an order, but this is so, I am simply voicing the circumstances from which I proceed), it would probably be more profitable for me to support such sentiments, and, as they say, add gasoline to this fire, but if we put aside politicking and try to be objective - I think what would be the alternative? Let's say the vaccine was initially recognized as dangerous and no one would get vaccinated, what would that give? I think with such a number of victims of the epidemic there would be significantly more.

The fact that I personally did not get infected with covid is only an exception to the rule, because I am an extremely peculiar person, with a lot of oddities. In Japan, such people are usually called hikikomori - these are unemployed slackers who sit in one room for years and play computer games.
I do not sit in a room, but I also do not go anywhere for years. I chose a remote area to live in, bordering a relatively large forest, and the only people I interact with are goats, geese, ducks, and guinea fowl. I only go to the city once a year or even once every two years.

Well, what do we have here in fact - one of my friends, who was about 20 years old, died of covid. She was half my age, did not suffer (unlike me) from obesity and gout, played sports and ate right (which cannot be said about me, who can eat a fried fat goose of a large meat breed in one day, and then bake yeast dough pies, pouring half a kilogram of sugar into them, and eat it at night).
Well, she started having problems with her lungs - and she died.

From this I can assume that if I also led a social lifestyle (and did not sleep for years in a meadow next to a herd of goats), then I would have easily become infected with this covid and my chances would be even less than hers. And I would simply keep her company, as cruel as it may sound, at the cemetery.

And so - people got vaccinated, the mass epidemic was pushed back, and the death toll was significantly lower.

As for the safety or unsafety of vaccines - let's not have illusions and lie that American vaccines are extremely dangerous, while Russian or Chinese vaccines have no side effects at all, are 100% safe and generally wonderful. Personally, I have absolutely no illusions about this. Although I will not dramatize either, although yes, my neighbor, who lives in the next house near this forest, died of covid. I did not get infected from him only because when he got sick he was in the city and did not come (in addition to his house, he also has an apartment in the city).

My personal opinion is that vaccines are dangerous and hard on the body, but the absence of vaccines is a much more dangerous path, the likelihood of dying is much higher.

 

[Ninjasquirrel]

Oh, to be honest, as a citizen of a deliberately unfriendly country (Let me remind you that I am a citizen of Russia, I gave an oath to this country - and if my country sends me to bomb unfortunate Ukraine again - I will unquestioningly obey such an order, but this is so, I am simply voicing the circumstances from which I proceed), it would probably be more profitable for me to support such sentiments, and, as they say, add gasoline to this fire, but if we put aside politicking and try to be objective - I think what would be the alternative? Let's say the vaccine was initially recognized as dangerous and no one would get vaccinated, what would that give? I think with such a number of victims of the epidemic there would be significantly more.

The fact that I personally did not get infected with covid is only an exception to the rule, because I am an extremely peculiar person, with a lot of oddities. In Japan, such people are usually called hikikomori - these are unemployed slackers who sit in one room for years and play computer games.
I do not sit in a room, but I also do not go anywhere for years. I chose a remote area to live in, bordering a relatively large forest, and the only people I interact with are goats, geese, ducks, and guinea fowl. I only go to the city once a year or even once every two years.

Well, what do we have here in fact - one of my friends, who was about 20 years old, died of covid. She was half my age, did not suffer (unlike me) from obesity and gout, played sports and ate right (which cannot be said about me, who can eat a fried fat goose of a large meat breed in one day, and then bake yeast dough pies, pouring half a kilogram of sugar into them, and eat it at night).
Well, she started having problems with her lungs - and she died.

From this I can assume that if I also led a social lifestyle (and did not sleep for years in a meadow next to a herd of goats), then I would have easily become infected with this covid and my chances would be even less than hers. And I would simply keep her company, as cruel as it may sound, at the cemetery.

And so - people got vaccinated, the mass epidemic was pushed back, and the death toll was significantly lower.

As for the safety or unsafety of vaccines - let's not have illusions and lie that American vaccines are extremely dangerous, while Russian or Chinese vaccines have no side effects at all, are 100% safe and generally wonderful. Personally, I have absolutely no illusions about this. Although I will not dramatize either, although yes, my neighbor, who lives in the next house near this forest, died of covid. I did not get infected from him only because when he got sick he was in the city and did not come (in addition to his house, he also has an apartment in the city).

My personal opinion is that vaccines are dangerous and hard on the body, but the absence of vaccines is a much more dangerous path, the likelihood of dying is much higher.

I think you make a good point about living out of the way at least. I avoided covid in large part because I'm a housewife and I only work twice a week at an extremely small company. Other than that I only go to the grocery store. I only got covid due to a family gathering in which a child was ill and everyone was in close proximity. There are quite a lot of large cities and suburban areas where people are very close together. Pardon my ignorance here but it's my understanding that Russia is rather spread out as far as rural communities. That's part of the reason Napoleon failed because it took too long between areas on foot and his troops were starving and cold.

It's awful hard to maintain a 6ft distance (which lets face it is a minimum) when you're in a city that is overly populated. When you live out in the middle of nowhere and rely on mostly yourself however you rarely get in that distance. And unfortunately even though a lot of people were told to quarantine if they tested positive...it doesn't mean that they actually did. I know of at least two individuals who tested positive and refused to reschedule their appointments because it was too "inconvenient". It's unfortunate but people are generally selfish and inconsiderate of others. While I had hoped the pandemic would teach people to not be...well...you can't fix some people.