Coronavirus, Covid 19 Discussion and How It Has Affected Your Daily Life Chat Thread

[ChocolateMouse]

My sister dropped off a big tin of cookies and I ate too many. ;O; Mmmmm, but also oh nooooo......

 

[h2oratt]

Completely untrue.

I'm sorry if they're not doing it in your area or not doing it well, but my husband uses it in his company. They've been together for about 14 weeks now. Some of them work in VERY close proximity. They test and when they get a positive (still less than a dozen) they contact trace and isolate. They STILL haven't had an infection transmitted from one worker to another.

Check out the stats in Canada. The US has had 17,400,000 cases and 314,500 deaths (rounded) total to date or 52,500 per M cases and 1000 per M deaths. Canada has had 481,600 cases and 13,800 deaths (rounded) to date or 12,700 per M and 360 per M respectively. The difference with comparable education and economic levels is staggering and the result of a vigorous public health system AND robust contact tracing.

I can see it working in a private company.

 

[IamRainey]

...or a country that has the will to meet the need of the population and freakin' DO IT.

 

[h2oratt]

...or a country that has the will to meet the need of the population and freakin' DO IT.

I don’t want to live in that country.
I believe in the constitution and the bill of rights. I don’t think anyone’s rights should be taken away.
Heck, I think we should lock up all the drug addicts but that would take away their right to do drugs.

 

[ChocolateMouse]

Ya know, I don't think they mention contact tracing in the constitution..... Maybe I missed that when I was learning about it in grade school.
Like the government tracks all sorts of people for all sorts of sketchy and usually lesser reasons already.

The best contact tracing program I saw was an anonymous cell phone tracking program. It was a super simple app that basically had your cellphone send out random codes every x many minutes. Anyone else with the same app picked up the random code. Then if you caught COVID you could update that info on your cell phone which would know which codes it had sent out and send a note to the app servers that your had covid. Then those servers would send out a note that the codes it sent were from someone with covid.

So it would look like this, your cell phone would transmit (and other phones would receive); XOCYD1, GE26BA, AUYS926 7GSO6T

And then you'd get covid and your phone would flag the codes and someone elses phone would have a bunch of random codes from countless unidentified cell phones and just give you a beep that you were within a certain radius of someone with a confirmed case of COVID.
So the only data they would have would be a jumble of numbers. Totally anonymous and all the data was erased after two weeks.

It would have been nice to see a national recommendation for something like that. It's a tool in the toolbox and could have helped slow it down. My biggest concern would have been someone being like "I was exposed, the app said so" and their work being like "I don't care come in anyhow".

 

[aart]

Doesn't work to what?

I'm sorry if they're not doing it in your area or not doing it well, but my husband uses it in his company. They've been together for about 14 weeks now. Some of them work in VERY close proximity. They test and when they get a positive (still less than a dozen) they contact trace and isolate. They STILL haven't had an infection transmitted from one worker to another.

Sure, it can work well in a smaller contained environment, but not overall in a larger community, towns, cities, countries.....where a positive likely has no way to know when they got it and how many people, let alone who, they were in 'contact' with.

Someone mentioned the shear work force needed to even try.
...and that people may not respond to a notification.

 

[Bigbluefrog]

Good news! Our numbers are down.
So in A rural community we had 100 active cases
Which was about 0.6 % of population less than 1%. Now it is 0.2% so we have only 36 active cases.
so I thought I would check Milwaukee and the same thing ! Less than 1 % of population has active covid. Milwaukee is a bit more challenging to do the math because it is harder to find the recovery number. Why would they not post that information?
Then again I am seeing the death rate is not different from year in the past decades.
In Wisconsin alone 52,000 people die a year from all causes for the past decade.
That is averaged- 50k-54k a year die. So about 1000 people die a week (before covid)
now add covid- still the same number of deaths. Why is the media pushing fear instead of hope? Is this virus being used ?
The virus is real but seriously shopping at Walmart is not safer than shopping at a small business.
And doing covid tracking they discovered restaurant and bars do not increase covid numbers less than 3%. So by golly let’s shut those people down and let them starve? What is going on? The math does not lie? Can we trust media, big tech, and our political leaders to be honest? Numbers do not lie.
Anyone can check deaths in your state from previous years. See if the math is the same- my challenge to you! Understand the math and be aware. Stay healthy be kind

 

[KarynVA]

Bigbluefrog,
I've read and re-read your sentence above several times and I cannot understand what you're saying. Can you maybe rephrase ....?

" And doing covid tracking they discovered restaurant and bars do not increase covid numbers less than 3%."

(Does this mean restaurants and bars increase covid numbers MORE than 3%?)

'do not increase' and 'less than' is confusing.

 

[IamRainey]

Sure, it can work well in a smaller contained environment, but not overall in a larger community, towns, cities, countries.....where a positive likely has no way to know when they got it and how many people, let alone who, they were in 'contact' with.

I think you've missed the point that Canada -- which is 3000 miles from coast to coast and has huge swaths of sparsely distributed population -- is able to do it. England and France are able to do it. And they are FAR more successful at containing the virus because they do.

The nation of France has lower infection and death raw numbers than the state of California. But then they've taken it seriously from the beginning and responded with effective strategies.

But I have to agree with you that we know in this country there are buttheads who refuse to recognize that there's an actual virus killing their friends and neighbors.

 

[IamRainey]

I heard this morning that Los Angeles County hospitals are so overwhelmed it's taking up to 6 hours to unload ambulances parked at emergency room door. The average wait for an ambulance to respond to a call for assistance is more than 50 minutes.

Moral: if someone has a heart attack in Los Angeles, get in a car and go!!!!!