Coronavirus, Covid 19 Discussion and How It Has Affected Your Daily Life Chat Thread

[Ninjasquirrel]

I’m curious how you got your hands on Ivermectin for humans if your doc was not allowed to discuss it with you (and presumably also forbidden from prescribing it)?

I love that she felt the need to say "the people version". So sick of the news refering to something that has been approved by the FDA for a long time as "horse dewormer".

 

[saysfaa]

Pandemics move in a bell shaped curve. This has been known for a long time and was first discovered by dr. Farr:
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/covid-19-william-farrs-way-out-of-the-pandemic/
Basically as variants arise they will reach their peak and then fall. The next variant maybe more contagious but a weaker strain that will have a much lower peak before decending. This will happen until the virus dies out, cures are made, or herd immunity. The numbers will always seem higher as more people get tested. Before we knew of the virus and had the tests the infection rate could very likely have been much higher. Now testing is common place so more people are getting tested. I'm citing pure science here and not conspiracy

That is why I talked of death rate. I know that number has issues too but it is better.

 

[MTKitty]

I love that she felt the need to say "the people version". So sick of the news refering to something that has been approved by the FDA for a long time as "horse dewormer".

I don’t read anything into that, other than the correct dose for human is already calculated. If someone elects to use the veterinary stuff, it’s tricky because the recommended dosage on the package is for a different species/size.

 

[bruceha2000]

I guess it depends upon the issue. Grand daughter has Lupus and her specialists highly recommended that she get the vaccine.

DW has Rheumatoid Arthritis, definitely encouraged to get the vaccine. Booster is on Monday. She has a "public facing" job, parents live in a retirement community, Dad and Aunt in the assisted living section. Taking ALL precautions at our house.

Laid off because you don’t get a vaccine should also be eligible for benefits.

Not laid off, fired for not following requirements of the job. Therefore not eligible for unemployment.

Also, I have a problem with something being called a vaccine and not actually fully preventing someone from getting sick.

Do you get a shot in the fall for the flu? If so what do you call it? It is only maybe 50% effective but the signs say "Flu vaccine available here". The J&J shot is maybe 70% effective against "moderate to severe" Covid cases, Moderna and Pfizer over 90%. All three are supposedly over 90% effective against a trip to the hospital or the morgue.

I want special vaccination outreach efforts to the unemployed and homeless just as much as you do.

In Vermont they went all out getting to the homeless, housebound, BIPOC, immigrants that don't speak English; anyone who wanted to get a vaccine. Regularly scheduled clinics, pop up clinics in places where people would be, worked with the outreach operations to get to those unlikely to get info through "usual" channels.

Previous teachers from years ago did not have to have a masters. They were grandfathered in.

The lack of a Masters doesn't create a potential to kill someone.

There are no tests to determine if you have the original or variant at this point.

Not true, otherwise they wouldn't even know what variants are around. They just don't test all samples for the details of the variant, I gather it is pretty expensive. Treatment, at least at this point, is the same no matter what variant a person gets.

Does the covid vax meet the medical or legal definition of "vaccine"? As in, will it prevent one from catching or spreading?

That is not a requirement. Generally a vaccine should improve one's ability to fight off the virus when they get it. Ideally that would then decrease the virus's ability to replicate and be spread.

but was told by my healthcare provider that medicare does not cover that without 'known. problems?

Have to break a bone first? Medicare definitely has some weird things it won't cover. Like it is OK that you can't chew food or hear properly.

Drive by the house of a co worker that recently died of covid every day. Think about him a lot. If it wasn't for covid he'd still be here.

That has to be really hard. I wonder how many "not for cause" unvaccinated people rethink their decision when someone that close to them dies from Covid. Obviously the 720 million deaths to date have been too remote for some.

If I have a bad cold or flu I stay home.

As everyone should! Sadly it often isn't the case.

I may be masking for the rest of my life in crowded, indoor situations.

Me too. "Funny" isn't it, that the flu season last fall and winter was almost a non event with everyone masking and distancing.

I love that she felt the need to say "the people version". So sick of the news refering to something that has been approved by the FDA for a long time as "horse dewormer".

Because most people using Ivermectin are "self medicating" with Ivermectin from somewhere like TSC, not from a prescription called into a pharmacy by a doctor?

I have NO idea what they are using for "proper dosage" either for prophylaxis or treatment. Hopefully not just figuring out what a horse or other farm animal needs for deworming by weight and dividing.

 

[cathloveydovey]

I have NO idea what they are using for "proper dosage" either for prophylaxis or treatment. Hopefully not just figuring out what a horse or other farm animal needs for deworming by weight and dividing.

1ml per 110 lbs

 

[Gizabelle]

1ml per 110 lbs

Its social media posts like this that land people in the ER

 

[cathloveydovey]

Its social media posts like this that land people in the ER

cant overdose on it actually
been doing it and ive been fine

 

[Ninjasquirrel]

1ml per 110 lbs

https://www.drugs.com/ivermectin.html
Usual Adult Dose of Ivermectin for Onchocerciasis:

0.15 mg/kg orally once every 12 months
Patients with heavy ocular infection may require retreatment every 6 months. Retreatment may be considered at intervals as short as 3 months.

Dosage guidelines based on body weight:
15 to 25 kg: 3 mg orally one time
26 to 44 kg: 6 mg orally one time
45 to 64 kg: 9 mg orally one time
65 to 84 kg: 12 mg orally one time
85 kg or more: 0.15 mg/kg orally one time

 

[cathloveydovey]

https://www.drugs.com/ivermectin.html
Usual Adult Dose of Ivermectin for Onchocerciasis:

0.15 mg/kg orally once every 12 months
Patients with heavy ocular infection may require retreatment every 6 months. Retreatment may be considered at intervals as short as 3 months.

Dosage guidelines based on body weight:
15 to 25 kg: 3 mg orally one time
26 to 44 kg: 6 mg orally one time
45 to 64 kg: 9 mg orally one time
65 to 84 kg: 12 mg orally one time
85 kg or more: 0.15 mg/kg orally one time

what form of ivermectin?
im refferring to the liquid injectable which can be taken orally as well

 

[bruceha2000]

Usual Adult Dose of Ivermectin for Onchocerciasis

That is very nice but Covid isn't a worm parasite. Knowing how much you should take for deworming likely doesn't have any relationship to what you should take for Covid.

And no I'm not supporting the Ivermectin for Covid concept.