Cream Legbar cross chicks (Maran X and Barred Plymouth Rock X), sexing and colour genetics?

[connieconnie]

So I've recently been sucked into the black hole of what is chicken colouring genetics. And after days of research... I'm still a bit confused
I've discovered how wonderfully complex and interesting this area is! And would like some advice, thoughts, opinions or maybe some links to information.

I have a small backyard flock here in the UK, with a Cream Legbar cockerel (CL) and a collection of unrelated hens of different breeds (Blue copper Maran (M), Black copper Maran (M), Silver Grey Dorking (SGD), Barred Plymouth Rock (BPR) and Crested Cream Legbar (CL)). On March 30th 2021 (a couple of days ago), I hatched 3 Purebred Cream Legbars (CLxCL), 3 Copper Maran cross Cream Legbars (MxCL) and 2 Barred Plymouth Rock cross Cream Legbars (BPRxCL)

I was surprised to get a yellow chick with feathered legs and a chick with no feathered legs from my MxCL!
I was wondering if there is any sex identification that can be done from hatch for these crosses, as both the cream legbars and the barred rocks have Barring genetics and the Marans have feathered legs and no barring genes?

So here are the Chicks description with photos:

Cream Legbar Cockerel crossed with Cream Legbar Hen (CLxCL):

• Chick 1 (Honey) CLxCL - Yellow, chipmunk pattern, yellow legs, no yellow headspot - female?

• Chick 2 (Popcorn) CLxCL - Yellow, Yellow legs, white headspot, fleck of brown on forehead, very light gingery chipmunk pattern - male?

• Chick 3 (Butter) CLxCL - Yellow, Yellow legs, white scattered headspot, very light gingery chipmunk pattern - male?

Cream Legbar Cockerel crossed with either Blue or Black copper Maran Hen (CLxM):

• Chick 4 (Pita) CLxM - Yellow, Yellow feathered legs, light yellow underbelly with slightly more gingery top, no headspot

• Chick 5 (Momo) CLxM - Black, white chest, Large white headspot, feathered legs, Yellow legs

• Chick 6 (Katsu) CLxM - Black, white chest, scattered white headspot with some ginger marks within, no feathering on legs

Cream Legbar Cockerel crossed with Barred Plymouth Rock Hen (CLxBPR):

• Chick 7 (Tamari) CLxBPR - Black, black chest, scattered white headspot, white mark on under left eyelid

• Chick 8 (Seaseme) CLxBPR - Black, Black chest, smallest chick, defined white headspot in 'J' shape

(my other two chicks, just if you are interested - not CL cross) Purebred Maran chicks (MxM):

• Chick 9 (Bamboo) MxM - Light grey, white chest and white markings

• Chick 10 (Ginger) MxM - Dark grey, white chest and white markings

Please let me know if from these chicks you can decipher their sex or genetics, including if you can work out any indices of the genetics of the parents (Cockerel or Hens). Thank you so much for your help!

 

[connieconnie]

Father (CL - Noodle - White and grey mottled undercoat, with gold, cream and red barred top feathering, and a grey mottled and barred tail, small head crest):

Mother of CLxCL chicks 1,2,3 (CL - Nutmeg - standard cream legbar hen colouring and a really strong head crest):

Mothers of CLxM chicks 4,5,6 (M - Coconut (blue copper Maran) or Piec (black copper Maran)):

Mother of CLxBPR chicks 7,8 (BPR - Piri Piri - standard black barring):

 

[JedJackson]

Sex linking will work only for the pure legbars in this case.

Chick 1 is female

Chicks 2 and 3 are male.

Females will be striped, males pale with that white spot at back of the head.

If you'd had a non-barred rooster over a CLB or any barred hen, then the chicks would've been sex links, with the males being barred and the females not having barring.

 

[Waytoomanyanimals]

Do you have any updated pictures? I have a CL x FBCM pullet that looks just like Pita and was curious how yours is growing out.

 

[SLOChick]

So I've recently been sucked into the black hole of what is chicken colouring genetics. And after days of research... I'm still a bit confused
I've discovered how wonderfully complex and interesting this area is! And would like some advice, thoughts, opinions or maybe some links to information.

I have a small backyard flock here in the UK, with a Cream Legbar cockerel (CL) and a collection of unrelated hens of different breeds (Blue copper Maran (M), Black copper Maran (M), Silver Grey Dorking (SGD), Barred Plymouth Rock (BPR) and Crested Cream Legbar (CL)). On March 30th 2021 (a couple of days ago), I hatched 3 Purebred Cream Legbars (CLxCL), 3 Copper Maran cross Cream Legbars (MxCL) and 2 Barred Plymouth Rock cross Cream Legbars (BPRxCL)

I was surprised to get a yellow chick with feathered legs and a chick with no feathered legs from my MxCL!
I was wondering if there is any sex identification that can be done from hatch for these crosses, as both the cream legbars and the barred rocks have Barring genetics and the Marans have feathered legs and no barring genes?

So here are the Chicks description with photos:

Cream Legbar Cockerel crossed with Cream Legbar Hen (CLxCL):

• Chick 1 (Honey) CLxCL - Yellow, chipmunk pattern, yellow legs, no yellow headspot - female?

• Chick 2 (Popcorn) CLxCL - Yellow, Yellow legs, white headspot, fleck of brown on forehead, very light gingery chipmunk pattern - male?

• Chick 3 (Butter) CLxCL - Yellow, Yellow legs, white scattered headspot, very light gingery chipmunk pattern - male?

Cream Legbar Cockerel crossed with either Blue or Black copper Maran Hen (CLxM):

• Chick 4 (Pita) CLxM - Yellow, Yellow feathered legs, light yellow underbelly with slightly more gingery top, no headspot

• Chick 5 (Momo) CLxM - Black, white chest, Large white headspot, feathered legs, Yellow legs

• Chick 6 (Katsu) CLxM - Black, white chest, scattered white headspot with some ginger marks within, no feathering on legs

Cream Legbar Cockerel crossed with Barred Plymouth Rock Hen (CLxBPR):

• Chick 7 (Tamari) CLxBPR - Black, black chest, scattered white headspot, white mark on under left eyelid

• Chick 8 (Seaseme) CLxBPR - Black, Black chest, smallest chick, defined white headspot in 'J' shape

(my other two chicks, just if you are interested - not CL cross) Purebred Maran chicks (MxM):

• Chick 9 (Bamboo) MxM - Light grey, white chest and white markings

• Chick 10 (Ginger) MxM - Dark grey, white chest and white markings

Please let me know if from these chicks you can decipher their sex or genetics, including if you can work out any indices of the genetics of the parents (Cockerel or Hens). Thank you so much for your help!

I have an Olive Egger that was hatched on May 20th, 2023. She looked a lot like chick number seven and eight when she was one day old. She now looks like a tufted Cream Legbar crossed with a Barred Plymouth Rock, although I don't actually know what the breeds were that created the cross.