Cream Legbar Hybrid Thread

[Dianne88]

If you cross a CL rooster and bantam RIR hen would they be bantam size, full size, or a toss up?

I can cross CL hens to my RIR bantam rooster as well. 

After seeing this thread I have one gold laced wyandotte, a blue laced red wyandotte, and some silver laced that I will be putting with one of my cream legbar roosters. I love how the CL X GL turned out that were posted earlier.

I am assuming because the leghorn was used to create the CL crossing them isnt a very big deal? Would be cool to get a white leghorn that lays blue eggs.

Wouldn't that be like a SBEL??

 

[ScottFamilyFowl]

Wouldn't that be like a SBEL??

Not sure what SBEL is.

 

[Dianne88]

Not sure what SBEL is.

Super Blue Egg Layer, it's a cross of a leghorn and Amerucana. It's similar

 

[ChicKat]

If you cross a CL rooster and bantam RIR hen would they be bantam size, full size, or a toss up?

I can cross CL hens to my RIR bantam rooster as well.

After seeing this thread I have one gold laced wyandotte, a blue laced red wyandotte, and some silver laced that I will be putting with one of my cream legbar roosters. I love how the CL X GL turned out that were posted earlier.

I am assuming because the leghorn was used to create the CL crossing them isnt a very big deal? Would be cool to get a white leghorn that lays blue eggs.

I think that they have crossed CL and white leghorn in UK and I think they call it a Sapphire. Here is some info from the internet:


kirstyfern



Joined: 03 Jan 2010
Posts: 1573
Location: Great Dunmow, Essex
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 11 10:58 am Post subject:

The blue egg gene comes from the COCKEREL, it dosn't work the other way round I'm afraid.
I breed Sapphires - basically Cream Legbar boy X White Leghorn girls but over a few generations. I get white hens with head tufts that lay pale blue eggs.
I keep the girls from this cross, the boys will be no good for breeding as they are hatched from a white egg, you need to do a second cross with an unrelated CL boy and the sapphire hens who now lay pale blue eggs - choose the boy from the biggest, darkest, blue egg to keep. I usually run 2 or 3 males on and keep the palest one. The cockerels have a very pale barring, they look silver in colour!
Obviously you lose the sex linkage of the Cream Legbar doing this.
Now you have an unrelated 'Sapphire' boy to put to your 'Sapphire' hens, so you need to keep a couple of pens so you are not mating relatives.
If you keep hatching the darkest / biggest eggs then after a few generations the egg colour and size will improve, but you may lose egg numbers.
I had 5 years work lost to theives last year

Reluctant to start breeding these again until I get my security fencing - which should be arriving tomorrow

I also sell Heritage Skylines, they don't all lay blue eggs but the eggs are bigger and there are more of them than my pure CL, they still make a difference in the egg box as some are peach / pink, etc!
You can use these hens to a CL boy, only hatch the best blue ones and get good eggs but I get a lot of green eggs as well doing it this way.

edited to add; When choosing eggs to hatch candle them and only hatch the solid shelled ones, not the spotty / porous ones, the solid shelled ones (you will know when you candle as you can't see into them!) will have the colour all the way through which is what you want

For fun I keep a couple of Araucana, CL and maran cockerels in my laying flock,which consists of a mixed bunch of 50 - 100 hens at any one time. I hatch an assortment of pretty hens that lay all different coloured eggs from pale blue to dark olive green!





Last edited by kirstyfern on Tue Jan 18, 11 11:32 am; edited 2 times in total
http://forum.downsizer.net/viewtopic.php?t=59225&start=0

Regarding Bantam + Standard size. My research thus far says the hen will determine the size of the chick. (Bantam eggs being smaller, chicks will be smaller, however I'm told they will grow larger than a chick that has two bantam parents. Not to standard size though, most likely. )

 

[jerryse]

I think that they have crossed CL and white leghorn in UK and I think they call it a Sapphire. Here is some info from the internet:


kirstyfern



Joined: 03 Jan 2010
Posts: 1573
Location: Great Dunmow, Essex
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 11 10:58 am Post subject:

The blue egg gene comes from the COCKEREL, it dosn't work the other way round I'm afraid.
I breed Sapphires - basically Cream Legbar boy X White Leghorn girls but over a few generations. I get white hens with head tufts that lay pale blue eggs.
I keep the girls from this cross, the boys will be no good for breeding as they are hatched from a white egg, you need to do a second cross with an unrelated CL boy and the sapphire hens who now lay pale blue eggs - choose the boy from the biggest, darkest, blue egg to keep. I usually run 2 or 3 males on and keep the palest one. The cockerels have a very pale barring, they look silver in colour!
Obviously you lose the sex linkage of the Cream Legbar doing this.
Now you have an unrelated 'Sapphire' boy to put to your 'Sapphire' hens, so you need to keep a couple of pens so you are not mating relatives.
If you keep hatching the darkest / biggest eggs then after a few generations the egg colour and size will improve, but you may lose egg numbers.
I had 5 years work lost to theives last year

Reluctant to start breeding these again until I get my security fencing - which should be arriving tomorrow

I also sell Heritage Skylines, they don't all lay blue eggs but the eggs are bigger and there are more of them than my pure CL, they still make a difference in the egg box as some are peach / pink, etc!
You can use these hens to a CL boy, only hatch the best blue ones and get good eggs but I get a lot of green eggs as well doing it this way.

edited to add; When choosing eggs to hatch candle them and only hatch the solid shelled ones, not the spotty / porous ones, the solid shelled ones (you will know when you candle as you can't see into them!) will have the colour all the way through which is what you want

For fun I keep a couple of Araucana, CL and maran cockerels in my laying flock,which consists of a mixed bunch of 50 - 100 hens at any one time. I hatch an assortment of pretty hens that lay all different coloured eggs from pale blue to dark olive green!





Last edited by kirstyfern on Tue Jan 18, 11 11:32 am; edited 2 times in total
http://forum.downsizer.net/viewtopic.php?t=59225&start=0

Regarding Bantam + Standard size. My research thus far says the hen will determine the size of the chick. (Bantam eggs being smaller, chicks will be smaller, however I'm told they will grow larger than a chick that has two bantam parents. Not to standard size though, most likely. )

I have to disagree with the comment that the blue egg gene comes from the cockerel only . Not so in my experience . It is a dominant gene .

 

[enola]

I find it hard to believe the blue egg gene only comes from the rooster, also.

Hoping someone with more experience than me chimes in with some facts.

 

[ronott1]

I have to disagree with the comment that the blue egg gene comes from the cockerel only . Not so in my experience . It is a dominant gene .

I find it hard to believe the blue egg gene only comes from the rooster, also.

Hoping someone with more experience than me chimes in with some facts.

Yes!

The blue Egg shell gene is dominant and only one is needed for blue egg shells. If all chickens were allowed to breed, then all chicken egg would be blue or green. It is not sex linked so either parent can carry the gene.

The Gene came from a virus fairly recently in poultry history or we would have more blue egg shells.

 

[ChicKat]

I have to disagree with the comment that the blue egg gene comes from the cockerel only . Not so in my experience . It is a dominant gene .

I find it hard to believe the blue egg gene only comes from the rooster, also.

Hoping someone with more experience than me chimes in with some facts.

Yes!

The blue Egg shell gene is dominant and only one is needed for blue egg shells. If all chickens were allowed to breed, then all chicken egg would be blue or green. It is not sex linked so either parent can carry the gene.

The Gene came from a virus fairly recently in poultry history or we would have more blue egg shells.

Hi guys,

because that was lifted from a thread, I believe that the conversation referred to was using a CL cockerel over a white Leghorn hen -- So they were talking about a specific case..and saying that the blue-egg gene comes from the Cockerel. (Once again it was probably specific to that pairing)..... of course the cockerel will pass an egg-color gene along as will the hen.

sorry for starting some confusion guys.

 

[ronott1]

Hi guys,

because that was lifted from a thread, I believe that the conversation referred to was using a CL cockerel over a white Leghorn hen -- So they were talking about a specific case..and saying that the blue-egg gene comes from the Cockerel. (Once again it was probably specific to that pairing)..... of course the cockerel will pass an egg-color gene along as will the hen.

sorry for starting some confusion guys.

It was a great post!

Thanks for posting it.

 

[Dianne88]

An updated pic and he/she has developed some crazy cheek tuffs

more pics of my little mixed chick. The egg was sold as a batam olive egger but to me it looks like it has some cream Legbar mixed in?!? What do you think?