Cream Legbar Hybrid Thread

[chicken pickin]

Thank you for that photo. Hopefully your customer will send you a hen photo some day, or I guess eventually you will grow some out of your own. Very interesting to have part spangled and part barred. I wonder- the barring is sex-linked right? (I've been trying to pick up on the genetics discussions on this thread.) So it must make a difference which parent is the CL. And in the case of this roo, he had CL father and Spitz mom? And that would make him just single factor for the barring instead of double?

So then a sister of his would have more of a barring effect due to only one X chromosome, and no competing Non-bar gene? (I have not learned any Spitzhauben genetics yet, so I don't know where the spangle gene resides, or how it would come into play here.)

But it seems in your photo here that where there are bars, there are no spangles.

Edit: I forgot to add, really cool crest on him!

I guess not necessarily spangled but on his breast you can see the black tipped feathers. Yes this cross is CL male x Spitz female, so all offspring both male and female get 1 barring gene. The sexlink in this cross is that the CL male is gold based and the Silver Spangled Spitz is silver based, creating a Red Sexlink.

For the barring gene to be the sexlink it needs to be a non barred male over a barred female, in this equation the female passes one barring gene to the males only giving them a head spot at hatch and females with no head spot.

I am not good with genetics either, I just know small bits of info I have picked up here on BYC and sometimes I make educated guesses.

 

[Finnie]

Ah, so if he gets a sister, she will have a gold based background color?

As to barring, I wasn't sure whether a male who gets only one bar gene from one parent would look the same or different to a male who gets two barring genes, from both parents. (Not these parents, of course.) Some genes look the same whether there are one or two copies, and some genes have basically a doubled up effect. I haven't figured out yet which kind the barring gene is.

I am actually very good with budgie genetics. You could ask me anything about those, lol. I just haven't gotten around to learning what all the chicken ones are. Chickens have so many more mutations than budgies do, so yeah, I have only picked up small bits of info as I come to them on various threads. Conquering them all is going to take more time than I have right now.

 

[jerryse]

Ah, so if he gets a sister, she will have a gold based background color?

As to barring, I wasn't sure whether a male who gets only one bar gene from one parent would look the same or different to a male who gets two barring genes, from both parents. (Not these parents, of course.) Some genes look the same whether there are one or two copies, and some genes have basically a doubled up effect. I haven't figured out yet which kind the barring gene is.

I am actually very good with budgie genetics. You could ask me anything about those, lol. I just haven't gotten around to learning what all the chicken ones are. Chickens have so many more mutations than budgies do, so yeah, I have only picked up small bits of info as I come to them on various threads. Conquering them all is going to take more time than I have right now.

Single barred males look like single barred females at hatch . Dosage effect of barring gives double barred a larger irregular shaped head spot . Single barred males as adults usually have a solid colored feather somewhere . Not a white one as that sometimes shows up in double barred .

 

[jerryse]

Middle cockerel is double barred . Not Legbar hybrids but the only example I have . Note darker color and some feathers without barring on the single barred .

 

[ochochicas]

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I have a blue Amerauacana, a bunch of legbar hens, and a wheaten ameraucana x legbar rooster. From the rooster and the Ameraucana hen, I have a ton of babies of which I kept one rooster. He is a blue wheaten with a legbar build and comb and a lot of barring, although he is only 1/4 legbar. The thing I like about them is their striking beauty. They are all different and have varying amount of barring. I had one brown pullet that had white and black spots all over her. She look mottled. Unfortunately she died before she got to laying age. I also love their personalities. They are sweet and friendly and not loud. I have hens of other breeds that are very noisy. It drives me crazy. Also, you can get a crested bird with a beard - absolutely gorgeous. I have an australorp cross with my rooster and she is jet black with a huge crest and a beard.

No eggs from the crosses yet, so I can't report back on that.

Personally I don't like my CL hens (and my rooster was the WORST)! I much prefer crossing them out with Ameraucana to get better egg color and temperament, or cross them with a Marans to get an olive egger.

 

[ochochicas]

@Junibutt are any of your Australorp crosses growing silver mowhawks too? Could that be a variation of a crest?

My Australorp crosses are only 1/4 legbar. One pullet has a huge crest. I really need to get pics of her. She looks like a black cardinal. The other pullet has no crest, but she has brown feathers coming in on her neck so she looks like a black copper marans. Strange! I hope I didn't get the chicks switched around.

 

[Mama Bay]

My Australorp crosses are only 1/4 legbar.  One pullet has a huge crest.  I really need to get picks of her.  She looks like a black cardinal.  The other pullet has no crest, but she has brown feathers coming in on her neck so she looks like a black copper marans.  Strange!  I hope I didn't get the chicks switched around. 

Oh wow, I'd love to see! I have 2 Australorp Xs from @junibutt and the one started with a little tuft of silver and it's been getting a little bigger everyday. I hope it does turn into a crest

 

[Junibutt]

Oh wow, I'd love to see! I have 2 Australorp Xs from @junibutt and the one started with a little tuft of silver and it's been getting a little bigger everyday. I hope it does turn into a crest

May be it will be a Mohawk instead of a crest

 

[Mama Bay]

May be it will be a Mohawk instead of a crest 

That would be super cool

!!!

 

[chicken pickin]

you had 50% chance of this happening, why? let me tell you why

Mothers genome was E/eb B/- she is Silver based S/ Ig+/Ig+
Fathers geneome is e+/e+ B/B s+/s+ ig/ig

you were expected to see 50% E/e+ B/B S/s+ Ig+/ig Males(Solid Barred like mother) chick with a headspot BUT also expected to hatch 50% e+/eb B/B S/s+ Ig+/ig males and e+/eb B/- s+/- Ig+/ig females, by the look of that chick looks like a female

@nicalandia I was curious if this chick might end up looking something like a Golden Laced Wyandotte?