Cream Legbar Working Group: Standard of Perfection

[ChicKat]

Wait, wait, wait....GaryDean - did't it say the crest was supposed to be 'neat'. Isn't that hen too pouffed??

ETA-- her crest isn't barred cream and white is it? Could that hen be mixed with polish? -- argh the agony.

ETA2, whew, our USA girls are still superior JMO

 

[ChicKat]

I understand what you are saying...that is why the color description needs to be accurate. Judges are trained to understand the color descriptions in the SOP. The keepers of CL's need to know APA/ABA terminology before you folks get too far into this. Someone ....at least one person needs to own a 2010 APA Standard, so that this is not a blue sock issue. Until someone working on this project reads at least the first 40 pages of the SOP all of this will be like looking at blue socks. So far I have seen three different colors being called CL's...not subtle shades of color ...three pretty different colored males....with varying shades within those three.

Walt

Thanks FaykojoWV and Walt.....

We need someone to keep all Walt's posts as they advise us. Let's see...who will volunteer to be the Crested Legbar Club secretary-pro-tem? -- It would be a good set of 'new business' for the club meetings. I guess a 2010 APA standard would be a good purchase for the club....and....I will volunteer to purchase and send out to the first 10 people who volunteer to be club members for sure (list your name here for all to see and sign in blood of course)...an Online Auction Color Chart.... so we can say something like: "my eggs are nearest to oac179, my cockerels hackles are predominantly oac900, and my hen's salmon is......between oac642 on the darkest and oac655 on the lightest.

However it is still going to be somewhat subjective IMO....and I do have a fondness for variations.

Allow time for processing and shipping. ;O)

 

[ChicKat]

OMG stop tying so fast I am 50 pages behind now.

From one instigator to another..... THAT is because you didn't do your homework EVERY night and come here to read up on the progress...................LOL

 

[GaryDean26]

Wait, wait, wait....GaryDean - did't it say the crest was supposed to be 'neat'. Isn't that hen too pouffed??

ETA-- her crest isn't barred cream and white is it? Could that hen be mixed with polish? -- argh the agony.

ETA2, whew, our USA girls are still superior JMO

Ya... they can't all be keepers. The Crest is NOT a good example of the breed. She never made it to a breeding pen, but I was told she might help with a discution on body type. Good type or bad type?

 

[nicalandia]

ahhhhh - but are you like me? I treat my chickens like they are my children? :O)

yeah, thats right, I dont eat them at all, I just give them away to people that need the food,


an important genetic point was burried under a while back... here it is again so you read up on

my answer is very simple, cull the Dark males, breed only the light ones, the dot on the head of the hens is really up to you, Rhodebars which have a dark brown wildypte(e+ mahogany) have Light males and Dark wildtype looking females without headspot(Dark down thanks to Mahogany, on male this is dluted by homozygous barring) this right here(Autosexing Rhodebars) are the most Autosexable chicks I have seen... Why is it really up to you? well if you follow my advise and only breed from the Light males you are going to distinguish from males(light diluted) from females(wildtype with headspot) because females wont be as diluted, this works for other autosexing breeds, but if it were for me, I would cull those hens aswell...


here Rhodebars(from GFF) chicks, see how hard is the hens down? clearly distinguishable from the males Light Diluted one



Golden Cuckoo Marans(ER plus Barring) even if the females have the headspot, the Homozygous Barred males are much much lighter
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/52655856





I will not be comenting on the SOP because I'm not well versed on this aspect of poultry

 

[flyingmonkeypoop]

So a question I asked on the other legbar thread awhile back. Will legbars be in the English class or will they be put in the AOSB class like the Marans (which should have been continental in my opinion since they are French)?

 

[redchicken9]

I understand what you are saying...that is why the color description needs to be accurate. Judges are trained to understand the color descriptions in the SOP. The keepers of CL's need to know APA/ABA terminology before you folks get too far into this. Someone ....at least one person needs to own a 2010 APA Standard, so that this is not a blue sock issue. Until someone working on this project reads at least the first 40 pages of the SOP all of this will be like looking at blue socks. So far I have seen three different colors being called CL's...not subtle shades of color ...three pretty different colored males....with varying shades within those three.

Walt

All I have the ASP 2010 and BPS, 6th edition. Feel like its a good idea for as many of us as can to have the ASP 2010. Also there is the library, after checking a few counties, I was able to find the ASP 1993. Ultimately concluded better to have this than not. Trying to put the next "big" post together to discuss language for male shape, should happen today! I have already moved over BPS language to ASP. We will need to know things like the terms "large" or "broad" are solely in the context of the breed's character or sex, ie. a large comb on hen will not be the same size as on a cockerel. "Broad" applied to a bantam is not an exact length as applied to a standard bird. It's relative and proportionate to the breed. Am working on understanding all of this and then putting it here. As Walt indicates the first 40 pages of technical terms, figures, and interpretation of the standards is invaluable.

 

[fowlman01]

So a question I asked on the other legbar thread awhile back. Will legbars be in the English class or will they be put in the AOSB class like the Marans (which should have been continental in my opinion since they are French)?

Marans are in the Continental class.

Walt

 

[redchicken9]

Thanks FaykojoWV and Walt.....

We need someone to keep all Walt's posts as they advise us. Let's see...who will volunteer to be the Crested Legbar Club secretary-pro-tem? -- It would be a good set of 'new business' for the club meetings. I guess a 2010 APA standard would be a good purchase for the club....and....I will volunteer to purchase and send out to the first 10 people who volunteer to be club members for sure (list your name here for all to see and sign in blood of course)...an Online Auction Color Chart.... so we can say something like: "my eggs are nearest to oac179, my cockerels hackles are predominantly oac900, and my hen's salmon is......between oac642 on the darkest and oac655 on the lightest.

However it is still going to be somewhat subjective IMO....and I do have a fondness for variations.

Allow time for processing and shipping. ;O)

Oh, if you would like to send me an Online Auction Color Chart, awesome (have no clue what this is), but if it helps discussion I'm in. PM me.

 

[redchicken9]

Walt, Is it OK if I post some pictures/pages of the standard, as it relates to discussion?