AWwwwww you took out your best bird for experiments. i think if the 3rd roo was not talking a step in the picture it would have got just as much praise for its form as the first one did. Also the third is diluted and the first isn't. Ask people about Dilution in the golds verses none diluted and how many creams you will get. Also the first roo is almost red in its shoulders and it almost has a double point on the second to the last point. its ears a bit nicer than the third. but its saddle hackles has no dilution and the bays have way more color in them than the third. The third roo is your best bird at least it will be passing the cream gene on to those experiments so that's nice. the long road is better but also driving a bit faster helps. The third roo is your best bird. hes diluted in the saddle hackles with lots of cream color in them already, he has a better comb, it barely has any color compared to the first in the bays and his chestnut is way way lighter and more of a chestnut color rather than the red in the first. I know you probably don't want to hear it but maybe your roo choice was a bit hapless
LOL - It is interesting when soliciting thoughts from breeders. You can get as many recommendations as there are breeders.
I do value and appreciate each of the recommendations, but they can be interesting when compiled! Some other perspectives are noted below:Quote: lonnyandrinda, Post 2159
I really like the type on Roo #1. Not so thrilled with #2. #3 is too young to tell much yet. If it was just between 1 and 2, I would keep 1 and breed him to your true cream girl and work towards better coloring from there. I'm interested to hear the other opinions though.
Quote: Steen, Post 2160
i like the tail angle of 1 but i think he has that red that people talk about instead of chestnut. Also number 2 has more of correct chestnut color and less color in his primaries and his saddle hackles definitely look like a better color than 1. I think that 1 will give you the best form but 2 will give you the best color and possibly form. 3 might have had a bad picture day but his body angle and comb wouldn't be picked over the other two but he might have the best color to get some cream males. He also has the lowest tail angle. Also I'm not sure but does 1 have seven points, does that lil bump sticking up count as a point right in front of the first noticeable point. It looks like 2 has 6 points. I would probably go with number 2 especially if his body type is about the same as 1. Its hard to catch them in pics i know. But if you cage them next to each other and the body type is close to the same as 1 i personally would defiantly go with 2
For the hens i really like your cream one. But I'm thinking the hens that carry cream look like the one you call gold. She has allot of real gold in her head crest and in the neck around the head. but I'm thinking the majority of her neck color is cream. This one will probably give you cream offspring. IMO. but as a side note she will pass that bent wavy comb on too.
Quote: Blackbirds13, Post 2162
I like Rinda's points on the birds.
I'd keep #1 and #2. I'd mate each to the hens separately and see what came of it. Keeping 2 boys is a good idea for just in case. #1 has a nice looking form so far but I'd be hesitant to toss out what could be a creamier boy (as everyone knows). If you could find some more cream girls you'd be set I think.
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So based on the foregoing, I tried to do some realigning of the breeders. One point that bears some mentioning that was not evident in my roo #2 that was taken out of breeding was that his tail angle is almost 90 degrees. The first sickle feathers almost stand straight up - so there may be some squirrel tail issues there. I did like his colors much better than roo #1.
Roo #2 that was taken out of breeding was the most assertive breeder and he can easily be returned for the CCL breeding. Just sayin'.
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