Cream Legbars

[ChicKat]

So here is 1 of my 13 boys. I like him the best because he has the least amount of chestnut color on his back. But it looks like he's not done yet.
I also like him because of his crest. I'll try to get more pics.
Hard to take when they all think I'm feeding FF, and start to swarm

Nice cockerel - nice comb and crest - IMO most of any chestnut that shows up this young disappears as they get mature feathers - on the back, hackles etc.

 

[ChicKat]

I did start to review this thread from POST ONE and then realized this info is over two years old. So I am not being lazy, but I know experience, learning and such has to have made your answers different .....

I have three males - two are a browner barred and one is a whiteish barred - see that one below ... is there an accepted color difference like this ? and the one female I have is browner - more like the other pictures you have shared.

Golden ? Cream ? I don't want to breed for show or selling - so I really do not want to hear SOP lists ... I can look those up - I just want your real world experience on these color differences and how that may affect the genetics of what I have. Make sense ?

Hi Matella,

Interesting approach - if you have no interest in selling or showing, is you Cream Legbar flock for eggs only or pets?

- You are right to a degree that the drift has changed in 2-years as people have learned things - and some of the things now being said are quite possibly not exactly accurate

• -- there isn't a 'golden' - to my knowledge, there is a Ceram Legbar with a crest that lays blue eggs
• - and a lot of 'controversy' about what the perfect color for the show ring is -- based on interpretation of the SOP
• - and what the color cream looks like. A judge in the UK referenced it as 'pale butter'
• And some folks that will see a Cream Legbar that isn't as light as their own preference and call it 'incorrect'; 'only one cream gene' ( which since it is recessive would look like no cream gene - and hence wouldn't be visibly detected IMO) and even going so far - especially in the UK as to say that 'that's not a cream legbar' to people who's birds don't appear like a barred rock..... kind of a sad state of affairs...alas.

BUT - if you don't want people to refer to the SOP which is the yardstick for a CL - then what exactly are you asking? If someone tells you that your CL is 'golden' or that it is 'perfect' will that make any difference to you if you aren't selling or showing? Just quite curious as to what you are seeking. sorry if it seems dense to ask.

 

[chicken pickin]

I did start to review this thread from POST ONE and then realized this info is over two years old. So I am not being lazy, but I know experience, learning and such has to have made your answers different .....

I have three males - two are a browner barred and one is a whiteish barred - see that one below ... is there an accepted color difference like this ? and the one female I have is browner - more like the other pictures you have shared.

Golden ? Cream ? I don't want to breed for show or selling - so I really do not want to hear SOP lists ... I can look those up - I just want your real world experience on these color differences and how that may affect the genetics of what I have. Make sense ?

I agree with ChicKat in the sense of many of us might not know how to give you an answer to what you are looking for if you don't want us to comment on the SOP. Currently we all are still trying to get our CL as close to the proposed standard and of course their will be slight variances since each individual will interpret the SOP a little differently. There is however only one color variety for the Cream Legbar and that very simply put calls for the male bird to be dark gray barred, cream saddle and hackles and some chestnut permissible( there is of course much more to it though).

With your description of your males they do not seem to fit what the color of a male Cream Legbar should look like. They should not be brown barred and the one you have pictured doesn't seem right either but its hard to tell from that picture.

Female CLs should have more of a grayish cooler tone rather than the warm brown or taupe but that still seems like a work in progress for many flocks out there.

As for the gold in color CLs, for breeders these are all removed from the breeding pens. We do not use them because they will breed the gold color forward and we are trying to eliminate gold. Like ChicKat said the hackle and saddle should be cream (very pale butter color, almost silver but just a hint of well butter)

If you don't plan to breed or show it shouldn't matter much what they look like. If you plan to sell chicks from your flock advice your customers that they are for egg/pets only and not breeder quality. With this being such a new breed many people dont know much about them and want to have them so it is best to inform potential buyers so they know what they are getting.

I don't have males that look the way you described yours so I cant provide a picture example but I do have a some pictures I have posted previously of young CL pullets showing an incorrect colored gold CL vs a correct colored Cream CL that may help you

 

[chicken pickin]

So here is 1 of my 13 boys. I like him the best because he has the least amount of chestnut color on his back. But it looks like he's not done yet.
I also like him because of his crest. I'll try to get more pics.
Hard to take when they all think I'm feeding FF, and start to swarm

I like him also so far. He has nice barring and I like that his comb (at the moment) is small and straight. Post more pics as he matures.

 

[sol2go]

I did start to review this thread from POST ONE and then realized this info is over two years old. So I am not being lazy, but I know experience, learning and such has to have made your answers different .....

I have three males - two are a browner barred and one is a whiteish barred - see that one below ... is there an accepted color difference like this ? and the one female I have is browner - more like the other pictures you have shared.

Golden ? Cream ? I don't want to breed for show or selling - so I really do not want to hear SOP lists ... I can look those up - I just want your real world experience on these color differences and how that may affect the genetics of what I have. Make sense ?

Hi Metella, I can see from your photo that you have a wide ranging interest in fowl! There are so many enjoyable breeds and varieties.
The Crested Cream Legbar (or Cream Legbar or CL for short) in particular is a great addition to a flock, including their mixed offspring.
I can't say that I have seen a Cream Legbar cockerel with the color pattern shown in your pic; additionally he does not appear to be correct for the variety.
Besides the phenotype, the blue eggshell color is a key component of the Cream Legbar. Based on his appearance, it is less clear that he would be double, or homozygous for the blue eggshell gene, and might have other colors in the mix as well.
Hope this is helpful for your flock considerations.

 

[chrissyr]

Nice cockerel - nice comb and crest - IMO most of any chestnut that shows up this young disappears as they get mature feathers - on the back, hackles etc. 

I like him also so far. He has nice barring and I like that his comb (at the moment) is small and straight. Post more pics as he matures.

Thank you for the input on him. I would like to end up with one nice boy out of these 13 . So I really appreciate the information

 

[philipchickymad]

I am getting 2 leg bars for 20€ here in Ireland and I am wondering wat their temperament is

 

[enola]

My three hens are very sweet. When I am in the coop they follow me around so they can talk to me. Mine don't particularly like to be handled but don't really object either. They are not at all mean to young birds. They hold their own against other LF hens without being mean. The roosters are very protective of their hens. I do have one rooster that was mean as a snake (to me) until his hormones straightened out. I guess you can tell I really like my Legbars.

 

[philipchickymad]

My three hens are very sweet. When I am in the coop they follow me around so they can talk to me. Mine don't particularly like to be handled but don't really object either. They are not at all mean to young birds. They hold their own against other LF hens without being mean. The roosters are very protective of their hens. I do have one rooster that was mean as a snake (to me) until his hormones straightened out. I guess you can tell I really like my Legbars.

I hope mine are like that

 

[Metella]

Great input all !!!

I got CL because I want blue (real blue) eggs ... so as I - personally - go forward with my flock - I will be choosing the best colored eggs ... I will have two flocks - one mixed and one blue layers. That is why the SOP will not matter to me going forward - BUT in buying my stock - I wanted some with for sure blue eggs .... Seems I am already starting off with a mix.

I choose the hens and roos that are hardest, then the best layers and then color for my mixed flock ... so I have healthy first and egg color - with not too much care to particular feather coloring or back slop and that jazz ...

Nothing wrong if you are into that - after all - I WANTED stock from owners like that to start off with ..... I'll try to get pics of the 2 browner roo and the hen - then you guys can give me your best guess - but if they are mixed ... then it looks like they will be not of the blue egg flock - but of the mixed flock and dinner table.

THANKS so much for the input - you actually answered me better than you all seem to think.