CSU - Chicken State University- Large Fowl SOP

[aveca]

its kind of a kenundrum...you have cochiney over feathered brit type birds to cross over washed out cutaway chest dropped wing us version.but some people are good at it..and some think they are good at it..it will be interesting to see how things develop in the right hands..i think a lot of breeders here had the puppy mill mentality instead of careful choices...thats why people should accept a little constructive coaching.

 

[aveca]

Pretty white girl! I don't see any faults myself right now except she looks to have a bit of a cushion but I could be wrong. I often am hehe.

i have always loved and gravitate toward orps that form that bowl shape underneath..even if there is puff..once you start peeling back the puff..that U shape still needs to be there..

my question would be..in britian there is a .2 or or 2.0 deduction.....sorry i dont have that page with me from judging handbook at the moment.. that deduction is if orp has a plymoth rock breast or wyandotte breast..how do they know that is plymouth breast type? or wyandotte? it seems like it might be a real art to finding that..ive never picked up a plymouth..doesnt seem like there would be a huge difference there..

 

[BGMatt]

Walt isn't the same true of most breeds though? They go backward in the hands of 95% of the people who have them? Although the Orpingtons are the fad now so it's more jarring.

 

[galanie]

Thought I'd jump in finally. I'll be posting mainly Orps, but less than perfect ones. We all want to take pics of our best stock, and we learn from seeing the best. But we also learn from critiques of less than perfect birds. So here's a blue Orp that I have, and yes she has more than one fault. Pick her to pieces, PLEASE.

ps - sorry it's blurry.

I know you can take and this bird looks familiar.

White ear lobes, little head, shallow in the front dumpy in the rear, cushion,  not much of a tail , color off for a blue...needs lacing and way too fluffy.........other than that she is a beauty.

Walt

Haha yes she should look familiar! So far as the white earlobe, that's what the picture does show but it's normally darker. Thanks Walt!!!

 

[galanie]

Pretty white girl! I don't see any faults myself right now except she looks to have a bit of a cushion but I could be wrong. I often am hehe.

i have always loved and gravitate toward orps that form that bowl shape underneath..even if there is puff..once you start peeling back the puff..that U shape still needs to be there..

Same here! I love that deep bowl that they should have, and too many do not have.

 

[aveca]

Walt isn't the same true of most breeds though? They go backward in the hands of 95% of the people who have them? Although the Orpingtons are the fad now so it's more jarring.

its worse then that..lot of them are on extinction list..in such careful hands.

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a lot of people dont breed a large volume and are very successful..some breed many and are not...the 17 time sydney royal champion australorp breeder only puts out 25 or so a year..he knows exactly what he wants and every tiny detail he wants to fix..

 

[thedragonlady]

The first ones over were probably good by Brit show standards, but the breeders/exhibitors and judges there are not going by the British Standard. It is very clear how the feathers should be. Not my worry as I live here. I think a good British type Orp....( the ones that look like Cochins) are striking birds, but their Standard does not call for all those loose feathers. It specifically states that they should not look like a Cochin. They do show some that are correct, but they don't seem to win the higher awards. It is kind of crazy in my opinion.

Once they got here it didn't take long to go backwards in the wrong hands which is probably 95% of the folks that have them now. Our breeds go backwards too in the wrong hands and that percentage is about the same. It is very easy to produce chickens, but very, very difficult to improve them......or even keep the same quality you started with. If this was easy I wouldn't be doing it.

w.

 

[Happy Chooks]

Quote: I am learning.

The first thing that stuck out to me was her head. Couldn't nail exactly what was wrong other than it didn't look Orp like. Looks more Wyandotte like to me.

I noticed the coloring and cushion too, but the head really got my attention.

 

[fowlman01]

Walt isn't the same true of most breeds though? They go backward in the hands of 95% of the people who have them? Although the Orpingtons are the fad now so it's more jarring.

I said that in my post. it is true of all breeds in the US.......especially the fad breeds, because they appeal to more beginners.

w.

 

[BGMatt]

Sorry, tired and misread it. I thought it was directly specifically to the Orpingtons. My apologies Walt.