CSU - Chicken State University- Large Fowl SOP

[galanie]

I also wonder if it works with fragrance free bounce?  I kind of doubt it...

Anyway, question on Cornish about the bare spot on their chest.  Does this happen because of very tight feathering? or is it because they grow so wide, and the feather count is the same as any other bird, leaving that spot open, like a too tight shirt? 

Does any other breed have this happen to them?

Yes. That is why they have that bald spot. If you watch them growing, you'll notice that chickens don't have solid feathers all over their bodies. The feathers really grow in "strips" - really noticeable when they are young. The center line of the chest doesn't have any feather follicules and the chest on Cornish are so wide that when grown there still aren't any there.

 

[Fred's Hens]

All New Semester Approaching​

To date, we have covered the American Class and the English Class, Large Fowl. It is now time to move on to the Continental Class as approved by the American Poultry Association.

These are the breeds in that class.

Continental
Barnevelder, Campine, Crevecoeur,
Faverolle, Hamburg, Houdan, La Fleche, Lakenvelder,
Welsummer, and Polish (Bearded & Non-Bearded),

So, ready your photos, materials, graphics and re-read the SOP for the breeds. We'll be beginning this weekend. Especially important is to remember that these classes depend upon breeders and fanciers of the breed to push the class along with intelligent and informed discussion, questions and resources.

All chit chat is edited at the end of each class session and limiting such side bar conversation makes that editing easier.

 

[Fred's Hens]

We always take one breed at a time, or related breeds on rare ocassion.

We have struggled with the SOP thing in every single unit of CSU since the beginning. The APA does not grant, as Walt stated early on, permission to whole sale copy their copyrighted material with rare exceptions.

At a true University, whether undergrad or grad school, it has always been my personal experience that the professors provide a required text list in advance of the class and students are expected to purchase or secure such texts.

The SOP is simply the fancier's handbook, the text, if you will, for this University. Students are highly and strongly urged to demonstrate their serious commitment to this study of the breeds and this can be demonstrated by simply getting the book. Apologies to all who think this posture is too strongly stated, but this is a university level thread and has been one since its inception. This is not primarily a trivial or fun little tread, filled with chat chat nor intended to be a thread where there is unlimited empathy with those who do not wish to do work, study or gain understanding at this level.

If even this post strikes a discord with you, then we would urge you take no offense, for none is taken nor any intended. This is the university. Get the text. We will not, as has been stated earlier, condone violating of the APA copyright to the materials, even if such posting is "borrowing" and re-posting from another website where the (likely stolen) material may be found.

Hope that clears the air a bit.

 

[ronott1]

We always take one breed at a time, or related breeds on rare ocassion.

We have struggled with the SOP thing in every single unit of CSU since the beginning. The APA does not grant, as Walt stated early on, permission to whole sale copy their copyrighted material with rare exceptions. 

At a true University, whether undergrad or grad school, it has always been my personal experience that the professors provide a required text list in advance of the class and students are expected to purchase or secure such texts. 

The SOP is simply the fancier's handbook, the text, if you will, for this University.  Students are highly and strongly urged to demonstrate their serious commitment to this study of the breeds and this can be demonstrated by simply getting the book.  Apologies to all who think this posture is too strongly stated, but this is a university level thread and has been one since its inception.  This is not primarily a trivial or fun little tread, filled with chat chat nor intended to be a thread where there is unlimited empathy with those who do not wish to do work, study or gain understanding at this level. 

If even this post strikes a discord with you, then we would urge you take no offense, for none is taken nor any intended.  This is the university.  Get the text.  We will not, as has been stated earlier, condone violating of the APA copyright to the materials, even if such posting is "borrowing" and re-posting from another website where the (likely stolen) material may be found.

Hope that clears the air a bit.

 

Schools are allowed limited use of copyrighted materials. There has been a change in copyright laws that allow that use.

Of course we are not a real School....

 

[Fred's Hens]

Schools are allowed limited use of copyrighted materials. There has been a change in copyright laws that allow that use.

Of course we are not a real School....

Yes, of course. Thanks Ron.

The thought here is not to re-hash again what is and what may not be permissible via the copyright laws, but rather to simply point out that owning an SOP is simply the best tool one can have, especially reading the first 40 or so pages. Anyone serious about breeding will this find material uniquely enriching and enlightening. Worthy of reading again and again.

 

[ronott1]

Yes, of course.  Thanks Ron.

The thought here is not to re-hash again what is and what may not be permissible via the copyright laws, but rather to simply point out that owning an SOP is simply the best tool one can have, especially reading the first 40 or so pages.   Anyone serious about breeding will this find material uniquely enriching and enlightening.  Worthy of reading again and again. 

yes, we should all have the SOP!

 

[normanack]

The thought here is not to re-hash again what is and what may not be permissible via the copyright laws, but rather to simply point out that owning an SOP is simply the best tool one can have, especially reading the first 40 or so pages. Anyone serious about breeding will this find material uniquely enriching and enlightening. Worthy of reading again and again.

You're right, Fred.
And for people like me, who can't keep a thought in their heads long enough to look up a link,

American Poultry Association
http://www.amerpoultryassn.com

Buy the SOP
http://www.amerpoultryassn.com/store.htm

 

[fowlman01]

Schools are allowed limited use of copyrighted materials. There has been a change in copyright laws that allow that use.

Of course we are not a real School....

17 U.S.C. § 107
Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 17 U.S.C. § 106 and 17 U.S.C. § 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include:

1. the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
2. the nature of the copyrighted work;
3. the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and
4. the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.

The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors.[2]

All four criteria must be met before it is legal to copy a work that has a copyright. The fourth one is the easiest for the APA to use when defending it's copyright's. Most of the income for the APA is in Standard sales. Bad business in my opinion, but that is the way it is.

Many universities have lost many millions of dollars over the years by using "Fair Use" when it did not meet all four rules. Texaco lost about 11 million and they only used the material internally. I was the copyright guy at the university I retired from and let me tell you that the faculty thought they could copy anything...not so!

I can post some general statements/descriptions about the breeds if you like, the APA is not adverse to people learning about chickens.

Walt.​

 

[ronott1]

17 U.S.C. § 107
Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 17 U.S.C. § 106 and 17 U.S.C. § 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include:

1. the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
2. the nature of the copyrighted work;
3. the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and
4. the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.

The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors.[2]

All four criteria must be met before it is legal to copy a work that has a copyright. The fourth one is the easiest for the APA to use when defending it's copyright's. Most of the income for the APA is in Standard sales. Bad business in my opinion, but that is the way it is.

Many universities have lost many millions of dollars over the years by using "Fair Use" when it did not meet all four rules. Texaco lost about 11 million and they only used the material internally. I was the copyright guy at the university I retired from and let me tell you that the faculty thought they could copy anything...not so!

I can post some general statements/descriptions about the breeds if you like, the APA is not adverse to people learning about chickens.

Walt.​

Yes, I have seen this since I work at UCD in the English Department.

There is a lot of photocopying and PDF creation justified by Fair Use here.

 

[Happy Chooks]

I made a little discovery that I thought I would share especially with all the wet weather and mosquitoes we are dealing with on the East Coast.

Bounce dryer sheets have been used by people for years to keep mosquitoes off. Despite fans, I noticed a few of those nasties flying about in my greenhouse where I have my baby brooder. The mosquitoes are still attracted by the light for the babies at night. I hung Bounce dryer sheets all around the sleeping area just to see if it would work. It DOES work. No more mosquitoes flying about, and the threat of pox much lessened for those babies, who are really not old enough to deal with it. Today the sheets go up in the sleeping coops for every body.

Just don't rub them on yourself if you are in bear country.

Looking forward to the Continental Class!

I've gotta get more pictures!