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[cubalaya]

if you use the grade male to your best cubalaya hens then you could keep less grades and have less to cull later. i will try both ways and see which line is better.

the asil from carr harris are white legged, long tailed and the hens have the orangish color eyes while only the cock has the pearl eyes. they should not need much fixing in later generations. the cuba/thai male from chris wallen is one extra sharp looking bird and should get excellent results from him and the pure hens. will skip the shamo.

 

[saladin]

There is nothing in the world wrong with trying it both ways. Experience is one of the best teachers. What I've generally discovered is that the breeders of yesteryear were excellent observes and that their advice is sound.

There is another way to Grade which is recognized as legitmate by the breeders of yesteryear, but it takes much patience and culling. However, it is said to give the best results in the least amount of time.

If you are interested in hearing it. Just say so and I'll post it. Otherwise, I'll let well enough alone.

 

[fowlsessed]

Okay, thank you. And Saladin, you can never learn to much! Share it!
I never understood "keep your male/hen line pure", if it's not too complicated, could you please help me?
Thanks,

 

[saladin]

For this method to work you must start with the absolute best 2 birds that money can buy or will be given you.
(In this example I will specifically use the Cubalaya since that is the bird in question).

Given: Best BBR Cubalaya Cock
Best Other Breed Hen (let's use a Thai since that was what I suggested earlier: though remember I have never done so myself)

1. Breed the Cubalaya cock to the Best Thai hen
2. It is not necessary to hatch a whole lot of chicks that first year, but you need to hatch enough to get several breeding pairs. Let's say you hatch enough to get 5 breeding pairs (10 birds).
Now comes the work:
3. Take the 5 breeding pairs and set them up in pens. Remember these are all brother x sister matings.
4. Hatch as many chicks as possible from each mating. (Discard the breeders each year).
5. From all the chicks hatched (5 pairs @ 20 chicks each = 100 chicks: more would even be better) select the 'most Cubalaya like' and set up breed pens with 5 breeding pairs (10 birds). [Remember these pairs are all cousins and brothers and sisters].
6. Do it all over again as above steps 3-5.

In very short order, with good selection (Health, Vigor, Type, Color), you will have your own strain of excellent Cubalayas that are top-notched show winners. They will continue to come like cookie-cutters (which is what you want). After 3 or 4 generations from the first breeding just set them up on something like the Rolling Mating System.

If you have done your job of selection well then this line can continue many many years with no introduction of new blood.

 

[saladin]

Oh, in case you are going to ask: Have I ever done this? Not with Cubalayas.

It is always easiest to choose a breed which compliments the one you are working with and even improves it in some fashion or other.

 

[4hmom]

i may try this this year im crossing to create bantam blacks and fyi if any one has or knows any one with bantam true breeding asian game.

 

[cubalaya]

doc, i think that is how the viper asil was bred, no outside blood. i am not quite ready to try this one as you have to keep a lot of birds but am sure that it would work.

 

[troyer]

Cubalaya grade, 6 month old pyle cockerel weighs 3lbs. 10 ozs. Out of a black-peppered white hen and a blue wheaten cock.

 

[saladin]

doc, i think that is how the viper asil was bred, no outside blood. i am not quite ready to try this one as you have to keep a lot of birds but am sure that it would work.

Yeah, I hear ya.

All I know is it does work and works extremely well. It is also extremely fast when compared to the seven or eight years it takes with regular grading. However, I personally think it works best if you are only dealing with one breed of chickens and are concentrating on nothing else but this method.

 

[Felix1]

I am looking for non hatchery Cubalaya hatching eggs if anyone has any for sale.