Cubalaya Thread For Sharing Pics and Discussing Our Birds

[Felix1]

So the blue red will throw solid blues? Is this when bred to each other or is it blue red bred to another color?

 

[Jungleexplorer]

lol jungle, nobody is going to take in offense. honest.

Your birds are not bad; please don't think we meant that; just different.

Difference:
Mine: head is shorter/wider
body is more 'cobby': not as much leg
wings tend to drop with age; you want it covering the hocks but not any lower.

I think your tails are going to be long but doubt they'll be 'full.' I could be wrong.

Cubes develop very slowly. That said, there are certain 'predictors' you can look for like:
light colored hackle, tail carried down (the earlier the better though some 'drop' in their second year), short beak, eye should be red by 10 weeks (actually mine are but the bright sunlight makes them appear less red than they are in a photo), main sickle feathers develop last not first. note that the neck on mine doesn't have the 'skinny' appearance of yours: you don't want a skinny neck like you see in a young asil or malay, white leggs are a given in bbr, white, red pyle, blue red; slate legs in blue and black (crow-wings).

does this help?

Thank you Doc. You must have a trained eye that sees things that I cannot. I have examined the heads and I just can't see the difference you are talking about. I can see a difference in the neck length, but I don't know if mine is actually that much longer, because I took the picture while the bird was walking and chickens always have their neck forward and stretched out when walking. I think it was you who said some time back, "Pictures can be very deceptive and are very poor to tool to judge by." Take for instance the heads. In your picture your bird is pretty much perpendicular to the camera and the camera was much closer to the bird when the image was captured. In my picture, the the bird is angled away from the camera with the head being the farthest away. This angle give the effect of the head being smaller and the body being bigger, kind of like a fisherman holding his fish out in front of him at arms length to make the fish look larger in the picture. Also my picture was taken much farther away then your which also makes it difficult to compare minor differences in size between the two photos.

I am not saying you are wrong. I am saying that my eyes are not trained enough to see the minor differences in the pictures that you are talking about. You have been doing this long enough, that I am sure your brain does all the necessary calculations automatically to make a more accurate judgement. I am not being sarcastic when I say this, I really mean it. For example, I have never found an arrowhead in my life, but my wife can be walking right next to me, looking at the same ground and find arrowhead after arrowhead. It happened just last month. We were walking down a dry creek bed and I was in front of her. She found three arrow heads that I had walked over. Some people's eyes are so trained at finding arrowheads, I have seen people that could be driving down the road and spot the tip of an arrowhead sticking out of the side of a hill. Once in the Amazon (many, many years ago) my wife and I were gathering fruit under a wild Caju tree next to the river, when she suddenly screamed and pointed at a big leaf a few feet from me at the waters edge. Always being armed with a shotgun, I whipped around and pointed at the leaf and fired. It turned out to be the head of a 21 foot Anaconda that was about to bite me. My wife is native Amazonian and her eyes were trained to look for things that mine were not. By the same token I believe that your eyes, Doc, are trained to see things that mine are not (at least not yet).

Just in case you don't believe the story about the anaconda.

 

[gallorojo]

So the blue red will throw solid blues? Is this when bred to each other or is it blue red bred to another color?

Solids blues cannot come from blue reds. These started from gold laced crossed with dark/ triple laced, that cross gives you some basically black pullets, believe it or not. Cross those pullets with a blue red, and you get a 1/2 of the pullets solid blue. Since then they have been crossed to black and bb red Cubalayas. Hopefully it makes sense when I say there was never a blue breed crossed in to make these...

 

[tigercreek]

Solids blues cannot come from blue reds. These started from gold laced crossed with dark/ triple laced, that cross gives you some basically black pullets, believe it or not. Cross those pullets with a blue red, and you get a 1/2 of the pullets solid blue. Since then they have been crossed to black and bb red Cubalayas. Hopefully it makes sense when I say there was never a blue breed crossed in to make these...

So this is not Andlusian blue?? or self blue but a completely different blue?? ..stan

 

[4hmom]

nice pic jungle! tiger they for sure arn't self blue because self blue is a solid color, i believe this type of blue would be classified as andlusian.

 

[gallorojo]

The blues I have are Andalusian blues. Felix had originally asked which blue breed was crossed in to make them, and I honestly answered " none", as the blue came from blue red Cubas. I am not going to explain further how they were made as I got them from Troyer, he started them and has been working on them longer than me. Obviously there were solid blacks in the ancestry in order to get them solid blue.

 

[wood&feathers]

Nice.

I finally got a few shots of the asil grade chicks. I think they have tails which are an improvement over my past efforts. Yes, there are two with yellow legs, and the others are gray legged, but one of those is almost white/pink legged. It is a long, steep hill to climb.



The cockerel in the back has almost white legs and a very nice low fan tail, but is the smallest.

 

[4hmom]

nice chicks. our bantam blacks and blues are from bbred cubalayas crossed with either black modern game or american game. surprisingly after the first mating i had very few color culls all birds except 4 that were black had no ground color.

 

[gallorojo]

Those chicks look pretty decent thus far.

 

[wood&feathers]

Thanks guys. My wheaten cubalaya hen just hatched a clutch the last couple of days. Ten eggs set, one chick died of hatching problems, seven healthy chicks, and two eggs I need to postmortem.