Cubalaya Thread For Sharing Pics and Discussing Our Birds

[4hmom]

I would agree with Zach, the bird in question is certainly a splash pyle. A blue splash wheaten looks almost identical to a red pyle. The fact is Ideal has blues and no whites, and I have seen many many people get blue splash birds from Ideal that basically look like pyles. A pure white( recessive) white could appear out of that line, but not a dominant white based true red pyle. 4h Mom you are correct that real true red pyles are dominant white plus BB Red. But Splash based pyles can look so similar you'd almost have to test mate them at times to find out, but from Ideal I'd say almost surely splash based. Regardless of what they ( Ideal) say they have, they seem to have mixed pens containing every possible variation of silver , gold , and red wheatens, and blues, blacks, and splash pyles. On an interesting side note, many old breeders say pyles can be made using recessive white. I don't know how that works, but, I've seen enough weird textbook impossible things lately to not discount the old masters offhand.

the ressesive whites can be use to make red pyle because white covers up black better than red but ressesive white covers up red better than dominate. so cross ressesive whites with bbreds then cross the offspring and select the white ones and breed from there. also theoreticly these should be true breeding un like the ones with dominate white where it is the same prinsiple as breeding blues.

 

[cubakid]

do you know what color the smocky ones will be?

The smoky ones are whites. I have just noticed in my own that there are some with yellow heads/smoky body, and silver heads/smoky body. I belive the silver are the better offspring, and I believe that they will be silver gened instead of gold. This could potentially give a cleaner white color.

 

[4hmom]

thanks havent had any experience with whites before

 

[troyer]

The smoky ones are whites. I have just noticed in my own that there are some with yellow heads/smoky body, and silver heads/smoky body. I belive the silver are the better offspring, and I believe that they will be silver gened instead of gold. This could potentially give a cleaner white color.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[cubalaya]

do any of the smokey ones stay that color? or turn blue? all mine turn a real bright white.

 

[troyer]

When I look at them close up it almost looks like one or two might be a light blue. I can't tell for sure though. I've had other smoky colored chicks this season that turned completely white, but like I said, 1 or 2 seem to be a silvery light blue. I guess we'll see what they turn out to be as they feather in and then there's the one that is a black-ish smokey chick, yellow/white belly and black-ish/dark brown back.. Has anyone of you had those hatch and if you did, did they feather out white?

 

[saladin]

There actually is a difference in coloration of the down of smoky whites (the color of soot) and blue down chicks.

They look great to me!

 

[saladin]

I actually have two Blue Pyle stags this year: A cinnamon pyle female bred to a blue cock: Blue Pyle.... not splash in any sort or fashion; also not blue red; but Blue Pyle.

 

[4hmom]

I actually have two Blue Pyle stags this year: A cinnamon pyle female bred to a blue cock: Blue Pyle.... not splash in any sort or fashion; also not blue red; but Blue Pyle.

i've heard this before but the way it was explaned it said that "blue pyle" was incorrect terminology leading the unexperienced person to think that a blue pyle is a red pyle where the red is blue if anyone would like to cheak out the book it is "bantam chickens" by Fred P. Jeffery. the book has a very informative section on breeding/chicken genetics mostly color though not all colors are in it as it was made in the 70's the ABA still sells it i believe but what i've read and have been told it's still up to date.

 

[4hmom]

just had some eggs hatch today and some of the chicks were more of a redish type color thatn the creamy yellow color. all the others were lighter than the yellow almost white. i was just wandering if anyone knew what color they would turn out to be and if it helps they are eggs from junglexplorer and im not too sure but i believe the birds they are from where crosses between cubakid hens and a zook cock bird.