The other source for the Sandhill Cubalayas was from Randy Stoneback. I was told that directly from Glenn. Mr. Stoneback no longer has Cubas, he is from eastern PA. I was introduced to him once by Mr. Bender at a livestock auction. This is where the whites and pyles came from. The Sandhill BB Reds originally came from Duane Urch, with later additions as mentioned above by Saladin. Glen has had them long enough now that they are his own line now. Size is good overall on the Sandhill birds, but many females tails are not true lobster tails. I would still recommend them highly, good birds but need a bit of fine tuning.