Delawares from kathyinmo

Even though I am trying to sell these...in all honesty? For someone new to breeding, if you want to breed to the SOP, I would pick an easier breed. When Bob Blosl was alive (he started the original Heritage Large Fowl thread---now closed to new posts, but well worth reading), he used to recommend new breeders start with a solid color. Get that down, learn how to look for correct type, then move on to color combinations. Now of course, not everybody follows that advice. Some people pick one of the harder ones to work with first, Black Copper Marans (that would be me
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) but I'm stubborn enough to stick with it. If you do not have that stubborn tendency and determination, it is easy to get discouraged and quit after a couple of years. That's why Bob said start with solid color, and a breed that has already been worked with enough that you can find good stock already matching the SOP. White Plymouth Rocks, for instance. Some of the breeds, like the Delaware, still need a lot of work. That is a partly why I am selling my chicks. I do realize I have too much on my plate. Something has to go. If you just want to tinker around and have backyard birds you like the looks of, and aren't concerned with showing or breeding to the SOP, the none of this really matters. The Delawares can use more dedicated breeders to bring them back, no doubt. If you decide you want to help the breed, just know it is a long haul and will take many generations.
Originally Posted by bmvf

"That would be me. For someone new to breeding, is this line in progress something I should work with?"

Yes any multi colored bird is harder to get to SOB - this line at stage F5 is still going to need some work - any line will need some maintenance, correct breeding picks and culling.
The APA judge in NY has this line of Dels and is on F7s now- He has already placed some in Champion Circle - but he has lots of years in breeding experience and a two year head start on us.
I have had two other lines of Delaware and this line is so far ahead of them I no longer have any others. Why is that ? These Delaware were created using
KNOWN QUALITY heritage stock. And thank you KATHY for that.

BMVF - your original post did not mention if you were going to show or just look for a good production bird ? if not showing the problems with colors to SOP would not be a big issue. I am not a show person but still strive for SOP as that gives you a better production bird.


Culled cockerel pics at 37 weeks - they could have been culled a little sooner but I was selecting breeding Cocks out of the group. Hen egg production
is less than our former production RIR and NHs but meat quality is much better so its a trade off. NYreds stated egg production is higher
than ours but our hens just hit 1 year old. So feed and age could make a difference in the egg #s.

Good luck on your selections



 
How did NYReds get to F7 already??
Whoops ! I stand corrected . He actually said F6- Bad memory on my part .
I was trying to help him kick the can down the road faster LOL Sorry !
Still he's ahead and tells you what can be accomplished in a couple generations.
Edited to add: with proper breeding selections.
 
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Yes any multi colored bird is harder to get to SOB - this line at stage F5 is still going to need some work - any line will need some maintenance, correct breeding picks and culling.
The APA judge in NY has this line of Dels and is on F7s now- He has already placed some in Champion Circle - but he has lots of years in breeding experience and a two year head start on us.
I have had two other lines of Delaware and this line is so far ahead of them I no longer have any others. Why is that ? These Delaware were created using
KNOWN QUALITY heritage stock. And thank you KATHY for that.

BMVF - your original post did not mention if you were going to show or just look for a good production bird ? if not showing the problems with colors to SOP would not be a big issue. I am not a show person but still strive for SOP as that gives you a better production bird.


Culled cockerel pics at 37 weeks - they could have been culled a little sooner but I was selecting breeding Cocks out of the group. Hen egg production
is less than our former production RIR and NHs but meat quality is much better so its a trade off. NYreds stated egg production is higher
than ours but our hens just hit 1 year old. So feed and age could make a difference in the egg #s.

Good luck on your selections



I am looking for dual purpose production. Since I'm having some issues finding good Delaware's, I would like to help the breed but I know I'm not going to be able to breed for SOP like others will. I would guess that I would be better at breeding for meat and egg production than SOP. The Delaware has all that I want which other breeds can't match. White feathers, fast growing, decent production of large eggs, and is something a little different.

I am not looking to show birds although my daughter will be of age in a few years. However, I showed pigs in 4-H. I got real tired of kids in 4-H that had parents that went out of state for pigs spending 4x as much. The parents would feed the pigs all kinds of stuff to make them gain. Then they would take them to the shows and let the spoiled kids show them and win the entire show. With pigs, winning a local show means $2,000 dollars more when the pig is sold at the 4-H auction. All that to say, I don't think we need to go all out to make sure our kids win. Graceful loosing will come in more handy in life than spoiled winning. However (again), there is a big difference with spoiling our kids with winning and helping a lost breed like the Delaware win I would guess that winning a show with what is considered a lost or misused breed would help propel the Delaware back onto the scene.

I like the opinions you all are giving me. Feel free to give it to me straight!
 
It looks great.  I love hoop houses.   Be sure and have a good dog or predator proof your area.  Wild dogs will get under there in a flash.    :D


I love them too! We have good perimeter fencing around our 30 acre farm plus a lot of internal fencing and several livestock guardian dogs on property. Most of them stay with the sheep but we have one small enough to patrol the whole farm. I also put nite guard predator lights on the hoop houses. We do occasionally lose a bird here and there due to opossums or raccoons but for the most part they are secure. :)
 
It looks great.  I love hoop houses.   Be sure and have a good dog or predator proof your area.  Wild dogs will get under there in a flash.    :D


I was thinking putting a wire skirt -- 1" chicken wire or 1/2" hardware cloth -- around a coop like this would help deter digging. I'm not sure what worries me more ... chickens burrowing out or predators burrowing in. My permanent coops have been trenched with buried hardware cloth, but I'm thinking of a reliable yet more portable solution a wire skirt would work.
 
I was thinking putting a wire skirt -- 1" chicken wire or 1/2" hardware cloth -- around a coop like this would help deter digging. I'm not sure what worries me more ... chickens burrowing out or predators burrowing in. My permanent coops have been trenched with buried hardware cloth, but I'm thinking of a reliable yet more portable solution a wire skirt would work.
We cut cattle panels in 1/2 lengthwise and just slid them under the pipe of our hoop coops. Very easy to move when relocating the coop.
 

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