destruction and disposal orders HELP

[MysteriaSdrassa]

It was my understanding that they tested the eggs as well and even though they tested negative he let them take them.

if that were the case it makes a pretty strong arguement that the report is correct and the virus does NOT survive more than a couple of days on the surface of eggshells

 

[seminolewind]

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I'll remember not to bite or spit on my chickens.

 

[seminolewind]

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I believe the book said it's a hard surface. And/or Marek's is spread by infected chicken dander being inhaled by another chicken. The chicken dander is also all over anyone's property and even their house and one will probably never be able to eliminate all the dander in the area of Marek's carriers. Most likely being in my house, my last incubator hatch was in my closet, then the chicks were transferred to a spare or guest room -the least used. Then we gowned and scrubbed before entering and did not lean over the box they were living in for 3 weeks. And handled them as little as possible.

Marek's in chicken dander can live for years.

 

[johnskoi]

It was my understanding that they tested the eggs as well and even though they tested negative he let them take them.

that is correct -- even though i feel i was more than fairly compensated, i still would have preferred keeping the eggs -- ya know what? scratch that -- i'd have chicks that i would probably never feel comfortable introducing to the existing flock ---(i just really hate killing anything --- yet i love my beef and chicken

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USDA and VAdoa have been here 3 out of the past 4 days and things are looking GOOD!!

--- if they lived closer, i could see myself forcing a friendship with any one of them.... not that i couldn't, but i would not want to be wearing their shoes (those white or yellow plastic booties they wear just don't go with anything i own

)... seriously they're good people who at times get stuck in horrible situations that their career depends on -- i know how i would like to say, "i'm walking if you do this", but when you've invested the better part of your life that a not too far off pension may depend upon, i don't know if i could do what some EXCEPTIONAL PEOPLE have done ...not that i didn't have respect for them prior to this... but i still get teary-eyed (well, maybe bawl a little

) when i think of what would have happened without EVERY ONE of us and them taking a stand for what's fair......i'm pretty sure that i'm clean my PEEPS -- THANK YOU!!

 

[seminolewind]

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Very nicely said, John, and it's nice to see members pull together and give support like this!

 

[AmyLynn2374]

that is correct -- even though i feel i was more than fairly compensated, i still would have preferred keeping the eggs -- ya know what? scratch that -- i'd have chicks that i would probably never feel comfortable introducing to the existing flock ---(i just really hate killing anything --- yet i love my beef and chicken

)...

USDA and VAdoa have been here 3 out of the past 4 days and things are looking GOOD!!

--- if they lived closer, i could see myself forcing a friendship with any one of them.... not that i couldn't, but i would not want to be wearing their shoes (those white or yellow plastic booties they wear just don't go with anything i own

)... seriously they're good people who at times get stuck in horrible situations that their career depends on -- i know how i would like to say, "i'm walking if you do this", but when you've invested the better part of your life that a not too far off pension may depend upon, i don't know if i could do what some EXCEPTIONAL PEOPLE have done ...not that i didn't have respect for them prior to this... but i still get teary-eyed (well, maybe bawl a little

) when i think of what would have happened without EVERY ONE of us and them taking a stand for what's fair......i'm pretty sure that i'm clean my PEEPS -- THANK YOU!!

So happy to hear that!!

I have a question for you-out of pure curiosity. Do you process any of your own birds? I'm one of those people who despite the fact I love chicken for dinner. I still have to buy mine from a store. On my she said/he said thread they are all talking about processing and how good what breeds taste and I am like

. I couldn't eat anything I raised....lol I know I am the minority, I just can't do that...lol If I had to be self sustaning I'd die if there wasn't vegetation...lol

 

[Sylvester017]

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that is true i have always been very careful after reading that same information years ago and was careful not to feed my 40 year old parrot any thing i was eating for that same reason, that birds are not resistant to the numerous bacteria in human saliva. exactly

We've had various birds over the past 68 yrs - Chickens, Ducks, Geese, Blue-fronted Amazon Parrot, American and English Budgerigars, and Cockatiels, and it has been habit for us to wash before and after handling any bird or their feed, and never offered leftovers that had been eaten previously by humans (my farm Mom wouldn't even toss melon rinds eaten by humans to the flocks but only served the birds pre-cut rinds). People kiss their budgies and allow the little birds to peck in their mouth or teeth and as cute as that is to see in a video it is the worst for the health of the birds. We hate to imagine it but we humans are germ-y and domesticated birds/pets are prone to infections from us.

 

[Sylvester017]

Well, I'm not going to tell my chickens that. They do love the left over bits on corn on the cob. Love it!
I can't imagine my mouth being worse than the dirt that corn cob gets rolled in.

Hi - it's not the dirt that's bad for them - it's the bacteria in human saliva that can be dangerous to a bird - any bird. We've had several birds over the past 68 years - Chickens, Ducks, Geese, American and English Budgerigars, Cockatiels, and a Blue-fronted Amazon. Depending on a bird's immune system there are human saliva bacterium that can make birds sick or die. It's cute to kiss our birds, and tempting to throw them human leftover food, but it's just a practice over several decades that we chose not to employ for safety sake - there are so many diseases/maladies that chickens face with no preventative vaccines or cures that if we can help our birds in one small way by not exposing them to our germ-y saliva I know we are doing a good thing. If a bird doesn't get sick from human saliva you dodged a bullet but we just don't take chances. My DD's philosophy and warning to us is not to feed "people" food to her animals - she makes their food herself and no leftovers except fresh-made/fresh-cut ingredients from food preparation/cooking are ever used.

 

[Sylvester017]

Well, since I like a challenge,, and because I still remember the scieney types telling us that the summer temps would help kill off this virus,,, and I do remember some basic facts about killing viruses and bacteria from all the food safety stuff we had to learn when I was in the food service industry,,, i do know for a FACT that it is NOT just temperature that kills them off,,, it is temp and time,, and it is an inverse correlation between temp and time,, in other words,, the higher the temp,, the quicker it is killed off,,,,,, the lower the temp,, the longer it takes to kill
Now,,, after just a bit of digging I found that H1N1 lost infectivity (the ability to infect) after 30 mins at 133 degrees,,, after 1 day at 83 degrees,, and after 100 days at 39 degrees,,, incidently if you do the math,, it looses infectivety after 7 days at 75 degrees. If you follow that up the scale, it's like 4 mins at 160 degrees. You can check the Abstract section in the following report for these numbers just so you don't think I'm yanking them out of thin air.
http://www.virologyj.com/content/6/1/38

Sustainability and time DOES make a good point! Thanks for adding that! However, I think it would apply only to surfaces. For instance, a virus sufficiently below surface soil would be relatively unaffected by time or temperatures needed to destroy it.

 

[Sylvester017]

I'll remember not to bite or spit on my chickens.

You're a hoot seminole!