Deworming and de-miting questions

[casportpony]

Dosage would still be in milliliter . So 1/2 mL for a standard size bird. One ml=one CC.

In vet medicine 90%, at least, of dosages are figured based on mg per kg. next most common is mg per lb. then there is the wonderful math of converting that to mg per ml, then ml to ounce or teaspoon.

That is true!

 

[casportpony]

@showbarnmom, do either of your Plumb's books have dosing info for albendazole and birds other than ratites?

 

[dawg53]

Most folks arnt going to weigh their chickens or do mathmatics calculating how much meds to give a chicken...common sense. I certainly dont do it, never have, never will, and my birds have done just fine all these years (some are 10 years old.) Most chicken owners want to keep things simple. If a problem comes up and medications are required, time is of the essence and round about dosings work ...no need for exact measurements as like in humans. I've used the dosages on my birds without any problems, otherwise I wouldnt recommend it ...common sense. I can assure that recommended dosages provided have been used successfully or I wouldve gotten hundreds of PM's telling me otherwise and gotten my butt kicked off this forum AND probably in person !!!
There ARE BYC folks that require EXACT measurements when treating their chickens...you are an excellent resource for providing that information Casportpony. Thanks!

 

[Michael Apple]

I'm not try to convert people to the metric system, I just want to know the dosing info in milligrams to either kilograms or pounds, which no one seems to be able to answer.

I'm sure you'll figure it out. I don't need to. Never have used kilograms for the last 30 years of raising chickens, ducks, geese, swine, sheep, dogs, cats, and keeping myself healthy. My current flock is on 8 years now and still laying well, so I'm not concerned with precise measurements via the metric system. Standard weights and measures, knowing old poultry men, both hobbyist and commercial, and trial and error over the years, provides enough information. There are European poultry forums you could likely find much information in regard to the metric system they use.

 

[casportpony]

I'm sure you'll figure it out. I don't need to. Never have used kilograms for the last 30 years of raising chickens, ducks, geese, swine, sheep, dogs, cats, and keeping myself healthy. My current flock is on 8 years now and still laying well, so I'm not concerned with precise measurements via the metric system. Standard weights and measures, knowing old poultry men, both hobbyist and commercial, and trial and error over the years, provides enough information. There are European poultry forums you could likely find much information in regard to the metric system they use.

Many medications can/do cause serious problems when not dosed correctly, which is one of the reasons that I am so anal about it. For example, since you mentioned cats, did you know that with Baytril, cats should *never* get more than 5mg/2.2 pounds.

Regarding Albendazole, I still would like to see more veterinary references on Albendazole dosing, that's *all* I am trying to find. If you don't know of any, just say so.

Maybe I'll do like you suggested and call the mfg and I might also call UC Davis and see what they recommend.

 

[Michael Apple]

Many medications can/do cause serious problems when not dosed correctly, which is one of the reasons that I am so anal about it. For example, since you mentioned cats, did you know that with Baytril, cats should *never* get more than 5mg/2.2 pounds.

Like I said before, when in doubt, consult a manufacturer of the product or use something labeled for poultry. No need to use anatomical descriptions. I'd never consider using Baytril on a cat. I'd use Antirobe (clindamycin) instead or consult with my vet.

Regarding Albendazole, I still would like to see more veterinary references on Albendazole dosing, that's *all* I am trying to find. If you don't know of any, just say so.

Read enough and used enough to know it is effective, in addition to being safe, when dosed at the levels I've used and recommend. Here's a bit of info according to trials in chickens that might help you:
http://japr.fass.org/content/16/3/392.full.pdf

Maybe I'll do like you suggested and call the mfg and I might also call UC Davis and see what they recommend.

UC Davis won't recommend anything off label unless you might know one of the vets personally.

 

[dawg53]

LOL. Most vets know nothing about chickens, much less albendazole or any other off label poultry wormer. Besides, it's too darn expensive to take ANY animal to a vet. I'm sure there are rare exceptions....not around here.

 

[showbarnmom]

@showbarnmom, do either of your Plumb's books have dosing info for albendazole and birds other than ratites?

I will have to look when I get home from work, but I doubt it. They haven't changed *that* much. My vet doesn't carry albendezole on hand, but I'm sure I could get the mg/kg dosages from him. (Benefits of being a registered vet tech. I have several different vets on speed dial lol.) I sent him a text to see if he knows. Do you work in vet med? Our brains seem to function on the same level in wanting to know the exacts of something.

 

[sanmar4chickens]

Are there husbandry practices that help prevent / minimize mite infestations.

I found the first mite in my coop the other day and looked at it thru a kids microscope - they're sure ugly little beasties.

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https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/...rors-anyone-want-to-follow-their-progress/760

 

[Gypsi]

orange oil on the perches good to add to this list? I can't find my sevin dust. I have injectable ivermectin to do the birds, a few drops on skin under a wing? I use sulfur on my socks and pantlegs to keep chiggers off, can I use sulfur in my nest boxes instead of DE or Sevin? (I also have DE). Cleaning the coop out, I painted the interior to prevent mites from embedding in the wood when I built the thing, pond liner can be hosed down with bleach water, fresh clean straw for nests, and that should handle the mites? Worms are a separate issue, right now the mites look worse where I don't know if they do or don't have worms, so first things first. But orange oil on perches? good thing or is there something better?