Diary & Notes ~ Air Cell Detatched SHIPPED Chicken Eggs for incubation and hatching

[Toast n Jelly]

Sally, are you talking to yourself per chance?????

 

[Toast n Jelly]

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[Toast n Jelly]

Today's summary 5/14/13



Secretary Silver

sorry about the font differences !!

You're a Godsend cause I couldn't read much today but have caught up now! Thanks

 

[chirpingcricket]

Sally, Oz, whoever's interested, here's the rundown on nutrient deficiencies and the effect on embryos. Could be death/physical symptoms, depending on severity:

Nutrient Deficiency Signs: Vitamin A Death at about 48 hours of incubation from failure to develop the circulatory system; abnormalities of kidneys, eyes and skeleton
Vitamin D Death at about 18 or 19 days of incubation, with malpositions, soft bones, and with a defective upper beak prominent.
Vitamin E Early death at about 84 to 96 hours of incubation, with hemorrhaging and circulatory failure (implicated with selenium).
Thiamin High embryonic mortality during emergence but no obvious symptoms other than polyneuritis in those that survive.
Riboflavin (Vitamin B2) Mortality peaks at 60 hours, 14 days, and 20 days of incubation, with peaks prominent early as deficiency becomes severe. Altered limb and beak development, dwarfism and clubbing of down are defects expressed by embryo.
Niacin Embryo readily synthesizes sufficient niacin from tryptophan. Various bone and beak malformations occur when certain antagonists are administered during incubation. Biotin High death rate at 19 days to 21 days of incubation, parrot beak, chondrodystrophy, several skeletal deformities and webbing between the toes. Perosis.
Pantothenic acid Deaths appear around 14 days of incubation, although marginal levels may delay problems until emergence. Variable subcutaneous hemorrhaging and edema; wirey down in poults.
Pyridoxine Early embryonic mortality based on antivitamin use. Folic acid Mortality at about 20 days of incubation. The dead generally appear normal, but many have bent tibiotarsus (long leg bone), syndactyly (fused toes) and beak malformations. In poults, mortality at 26 days to 28 days of incubation with abnormalities of extremities and circulatory system.
Vitamin B12 Mortality at about 20 days of incubation, with atrophy of legs, edema, hemorrhaging, fatty organs, and head between thighs malposition.
Manganese Deaths peak prior to emergence. Chondrodystrophy, dwarfism, long bone shortening, head malformations, edema, and abnormal feathering are prominent. Perosis.
Zinc Deaths prior to emergence, and the appearance of rumplessness, depletion of vertebral column, eyes underdeveloped and limbs missing.
Iodine Prolongation of hatching time, reduced thyroid size, and incomplete abdominal closure. Iron Low hematocrit; low blood hemoglobin; poor extra-embryonic circulation in candled eggs.

Source / Reference: http://gallus.tamu.edu/Extension publications/b6092.pdf

Goodness, Sumi, great info and alot to absorb. Thanks for the outline of chick presentation issues as well as causative possibilities/potential remedies!

 

[Toast n Jelly]

oh Thank goodness! I still have pages open searching! I found this page using a kids hair band but again was more for spraddle leg.
did you give electolites? If you have time to work with her and just hold her correctly I would do so. even if you have one of those rice bags you can heat in the microwave then you can keep her with you and warmer longer too! I had one before my kid left it lay and the dog ate it! well most of it!! lol

Bad doggy! Yes I gave vitamin and electrolytes.

 

[Doug Hodges]

Sally, Oz, whoever's interested, here's the rundown on nutrient deficiencies and the effect on embryos. Could be death/physical symptoms, depending on severity:

Nutrient Deficiency Signs: Vitamin A Death at about 48 hours of incubation from failure to develop the circulatory system; abnormalities of kidneys, eyes and skeleton
Vitamin D Death at about 18 or 19 days of incubation, with malpositions, soft bones, and with a defective upper beak prominent.
Vitamin E Early death at about 84 to 96 hours of incubation, with hemorrhaging and circulatory failure (implicated with selenium).
Thiamin High embryonic mortality during emergence but no obvious symptoms other than polyneuritis in those that survive.
Riboflavin (Vitamin B2) Mortality peaks at 60 hours, 14 days, and 20 days of incubation, with peaks prominent early as deficiency becomes severe. Altered limb and beak development, dwarfism and clubbing of down are defects expressed by embryo.
Niacin Embryo readily synthesizes sufficient niacin from tryptophan. Various bone and beak malformations occur when certain antagonists are administered during incubation. Biotin High death rate at 19 days to 21 days of incubation, parrot beak, chondrodystrophy, several skeletal deformities and webbing between the toes. Perosis.
Pantothenic acid Deaths appear around 14 days of incubation, although marginal levels may delay problems until emergence. Variable subcutaneous hemorrhaging and edema; wirey down in poults.
Pyridoxine Early embryonic mortality based on antivitamin use. Folic acid Mortality at about 20 days of incubation. The dead generally appear normal, but many have bent tibiotarsus (long leg bone), syndactyly (fused toes) and beak malformations. In poults, mortality at 26 days to 28 days of incubation with abnormalities of extremities and circulatory system.
Vitamin B12 Mortality at about 20 days of incubation, with atrophy of legs, edema, hemorrhaging, fatty organs, and head between thighs malposition.
Manganese Deaths peak prior to emergence. Chondrodystrophy, dwarfism, long bone shortening, head malformations, edema, and abnormal feathering are prominent. Perosis.
Zinc Deaths prior to emergence, and the appearance of rumplessness, depletion of vertebral column, eyes underdeveloped and limbs missing.
Iodine Prolongation of hatching time, reduced thyroid size, and incomplete abdominal closure. Iron Low hematocrit; low blood hemoglobin; poor extra-embryonic circulation in candled eggs.

Source / Reference: http://gallus.tamu.edu/Extension publications/b6092.pdf

HMMMMMM

Sorry it's just thrown together like that! Doug:


Vitamin B12 Mortality at about 20 days of incubation, with atrophy of legs, edema, hemorrhaging, fatty organs, and head between thighs malposition.
Manganese Deaths peak prior to emergence. Chondrodystrophy, dwarfism, long bone shortening, head malformations, edema, and abnormal feathering are prominent. Perosis.
Zinc Deaths prior to emergence, and the appearance of rumplessness, depletion of vertebral column, eyes underdeveloped and limbs missing.
Iodine Prolongation of hatching time, reduced thyroid size, and incomplete abdominal closure. Iron Low hematocrit; low blood hemoglobin; poor extra-embryonic circulation in candled eggs.

Sally, note the "head between thighs malposition?? I had 2 of those...

HMMMMM

Doug I would like to see some images of your eggtopsy's next time, I have a feelings your dealing with a combo of issues. your not getting mold growing in your bators along with along with all this are you?

After reading everything. I think its out of my control. I think its a combination of shipped eggs and poor egg quality.

This chick hatched today and can't get off her bum, she is in a sitting position. Can't find info regarding this problem, all help appreciated. She hatched 1 day early if that's any help.

How long did you talk to yourself?

 

[Doug Hodges]

Quote: I have one just like this. Its 3 days old now. I think its getting better.

 

[Doug Hodges]

OK Quick update. I checked and opened all the eggs earlier. I had two live chicks. I laid them on paper towels. I cant tell one from any of the others now because its doing fine. They both had yolk sacks showing but quickly absorbed them.. but one was almost dead and is very very very weak. I mixed up some sav a chick and have been feeding it about every hour or so with a dropper. I think its getting stronger Its kicking its legs but cant even move its head up yet unless Im holding it. It seems to be liking the dropper but it so close to death that I expect it to be gone each time I go out to check on it. Since I started, Im not giving up until its gone or it llves. I have it in its own box. Its peeping a lot.

I have been successful with several that have died in prior hatches on this hatch. I probably have saved 5 to 7 chicks so far and possibly two turkeys. The first 6 hatched very easily but the last dozen have all been assisted. I lost count of how many I have assisted and how many have lived. Its day three of the hatch. The bator is clean and waiting. I have two clean bators.

On another note, I candled the eggs that spiked and I think I see a lot of veining and some with globs. What do they look like on day 4?

 

[sharron]

sally, if this works, thank you, maybe YOU can teach an old dog new tricks

 

[Doug Hodges]

O almost forgot, I have a hatch going on in the chicken house too. LOL