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[RoostersAreAwesome]

I know y’all can’t see me but I’m doing a happy dance!
This is the info I want and now that I have it I want to study it more, become more versed in it. I definitely am not gonna be a big breeder, but I do want to know this kind of stuff. One thing for sure is to learn about the “barring” gene. It seems to be in many, many breeds.

My NN is a Buff Bowtie.

If you don’t mind, I’d like to indulge you a moment. This is simply for my learning benefit, but definitely tell me if something I’ve said is absolutely taboo (regarding the breeding.)

Since I’m a math person, here goes:

If N/N = Complete Naked Neck and N/n = Bowtie and n/n = Feathered Neck, would the following scenario be probable?

Let’s say my N/n x Welsummer produced a N/n cockerel (possible?) and I bred that said cockerel back to the N/n mother. Would my hatch possibilities be N/N, N/n & n/n offspring? Or since both N/n’s never had two N/N genes there would be no way to produce a N/N?

I believe you're right, though I've never bred NNs myself.
As for the barring gene, it's sex-linked, so hens have 1 copy and (purebred) roos have 2 copies. 1 copy = darker barring, and 2 copies = lighter barring, which is why barred rock hens are darker than barred rock roosters.
The genetics behind barred rocks and dominiques are rather simple; they're black with barring. That's why black sex-link hens are almost entirely black, because they didn't get the barring gene.

Here's a thread about genetics that you might find interesting:
https://www.backyardchickens.com/th...ulator-huge-task-ahead.1252593/#post-20097120

 

[Mimi13]

As for the barring gene, it's sex-linked, so hens have 1 copy and (purebred) roos have 2 copies.

Two copies just for being female? Always, no matter the breed?

 

[RoostersAreAwesome]

Two copies just for being female? Always, no matter the breed?

The hens can only have one copy of the barring gene. If a breed has a barred variety, the roosters will always have two copies of the gene.

 

[Mimi13]

The hens can only have one copy of the barring gene. If a breed has a barred variety, the roosters will always have two copies of the gene.

Dang it. I knew it was too good to be true! Stumped again. I will begin reading on this. Reading what? I do not know.

 

[Mimi13]

Okie dokie. I am posting pictures of 3-4 week old chicks in hopes of getting help figuring out the mothers.

All of my chicks have:

• single combs except the four that hatched from my EE
• clean legs
• complete feathering
• four toes

These facts alone will knock out several of my hens/pullets: none from my Wyandottes, Ameraucana, Cochin, BCM, Dominique, Buckeye, CL and NN.

These particular girls weren’t laying at the time I gathered eggs for hatching: BO, RS, Welsummer, SGD, Amberlink.

The birds that are still in contention for mothers are: RIR, WR, BR, SS, Australorp, Barnevelder, and I think that is all.

This little one was my very first Bator chick and hatched with a white dot on his head, so I figured he was from my Barred Rock. A definite cockerel.

These two little chicks hatched (one week apart) with solid yellow down. The feathers began growing out red or orange. I suspect these two come from the White Rock and I hope they are both pullets.

3.5 weeks old

4.5 weeks old

This little chick is my most beautiful chick. I have no clue what breed it may be from, but unfortunately I’m pretty sure it’s a cockerel. I have more pics of this chick than any other. It’s coloring is just gorgeous.

Here is a picture of my two friendliest chicks - both cockerels. Why is it always the friendliest birds are the cockerels?

This little chick had the chipmunk color pattern, but its eyes did not have any defining lines (no eyeliner or mascara) just a brown strip of feathering. I have just this week thought it may be from my Speckled Sussex. The comb is fairly small, but this first shot shows the good development of wattles. Both the comb and wattles are fairly pink.

Now these last two hatched “solid black” with brownish down on their heads. They started showing red or copper on their wing feathers first then just this past week the copper color started coming through on their breast feathers. The only difference on these two were their toes. Both have solid gray/slate/black feet and shanks, but one (#1) has white/pink middle toes only, and the other (#2) has a few toes that are white/pink and also the bottoms of its feet are not a solid dark color like #1.

Chick#1 toes

Chick #2 toes

Both chicks breast feathers look like this.

Both chicks’ combs are fairly similar.

Unfortunately I don’t have a current forward facing pic of both of them side by side, but again, there’s not much difference. Chick #1 is in the middle.

My last four chicks are from my EE. All four have the signature chipmunk patterns of the Welsummer cockerel and cute little muffs. Hopefully I have a 50/50 mix on genders. Of the two Bator EE mixes (the broody chicks are harder to get close to), one has a dark thin line from eye to beak and the other only has a dark dot between the eye and beak. All four have either pea or rose combs. Those confuse me. This next picture shows the bumps on the comb really well.

Eye line chick

Eye dot chick

One of the broody chicks - made at about 3 weeks of age.

This picture shows from top to bottom: broody EE mix chick, broody EE mix chick next to broody yellow chick, then at bottom is my Bator EE mix Eye Line chick. This pic was shot the day I had all of the chicks co-mingling in the run. [More on this experience on my hatch-a-long thread. I can’t link it on my phone, but it is “I’m Not Mother Nature But...]

Eye Dot chick

This pic is a bit blurry, but is of the two Bator EE’s about a week ago.

This sweet little cheeky face is one of my Bator EE’s. Some red is showing through on its breast feathers too.

My phone just died and I lost some of what I had already typed.
This has happened more than once to me and it is so frustrating. I can’t remember now what I had typed that is now gone.

Anyway, @RoostersAreAwesome, here is an update. There was a few more things, but oh well, that’s how it goes sometimes. Have a look around and tell me what you think.

Thanks to all who may read my notes on chicken keeping/hatching.

 

[RoostersAreAwesome]

Okie dokie. I am posting pictures of 3-4 week old chicks in hopes of getting help figuring out the mothers.

All of my chicks have:

• single combs except the four that hatched from my EE
• clean legs
• complete feathering
• four toes

These facts alone will knock out several of my hens/pullets: none from my Wyandottes, Ameraucana, Cochin, BCM, Dominique, Buckeye, CL and NN.

These particular girls weren’t laying at the time I gathered eggs for hatching: BO, RS, Welsummer, SGD, Amberlink.

The birds that are still in contention for mothers are: RIR, WR, BR, SS, Australorp, Barnevelder, and I think that is all.

This little one was my very first Bator chick and hatched with a white dot on his head, so I figured he was from my Barred Rock. A definite cockerel.

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These two little chicks hatched (one week apart) with solid yellow down. The feathers began growing out red or orange. I suspect these two come from the White Rock and I hope they are both pullets.

3.5 weeks old
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4.5 weeks old
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This little chick is my most beautiful chick. I have no clue what breed it may be from, but unfortunately I’m pretty sure it’s a cockerel. I have more pics of this chick than any other. It’s coloring is just gorgeous.

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Here is a picture of my two friendliest chicks - both cockerels. Why is it always the friendliest birds are the cockerels? View attachment 1671927

This little chick had the chipmunk color pattern, but its eyes did not have any defining lines (no eyeliner or mascara) just a brown strip of feathering. I have just this week thought it may be from my Speckled Sussex. The comb is fairly small, but this first shot shows the good development of wattles. Both the comb and wattles are fairly pink.

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Now these last two hatched “solid black” with brownish down on their heads. They started showing red or copper on their wing feathers first then just this past week the copper color started coming through on their breast feathers. The only difference on these two were their toes. Both have solid gray/slate/black feet and shanks, but one (#1) has white/pink middle toes only, and the other (#2) has a few toes that are white/pink and also the bottoms of its feet are not a solid dark color like #1.

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Chick #2 toes
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Both chicks breast feathers look like this.
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Both chicks’ combs are fairly similar. View attachment 1671948
Unfortunately I don’t have a current forward facing pic of both of them side by side, but again, there’s not much difference. Chick #1 is in the middle.
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My last four chicks are from my EE. All four have the signature chipmunk patterns of the Welsummer cockerel and cute little muffs. Hopefully I have a 50/50 mix on genders. Of the two Bator EE mixes (the broody chicks are harder to get close to), one has a dark thin line from eye to beak and the other only has a dark dot between the eye and beak. All four have either pea or rose combs. Those confuse me. This next picture shows the bumps on the comb really well.

Eye line chick
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Eye dot chick
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One of the broody chicks - made at about 3 weeks of age.
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This picture shows from top to bottom: broody EE mix chick, broody EE mix chick next to broody yellow chick, then at bottom is my Bator EE mix Eye Line chick. This pic was shot the day I had all of the chicks co-mingling in the run. [More on this experience on my hatch-a-long thread. I can’t link it on my phone, but it is “I’m Not Mother Nature But...]
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Eye Dot chick
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This pic is a bit blurry, but is of the two Bator EE’s about a week ago.
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This sweet little cheeky face is one of my Bator EE’s. Some red is showing through on its breast feathers too.
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My phone just died and I lost some of what I had already typed.
This has happened more than once to me and it is so frustrating. I can’t remember now what I had typed that is now gone.

Anyway, @RoostersAreAwesome, here is an update. There was a few more things, but oh well, that’s how it goes sometimes. Have a look around and tell me what you think.

Thanks to all who may read my notes on chicken keeping/hatching.

#1- barred rock
#2-3- white rock(?) (are you sure the amberlink wasn't laying?)
#4- columbian wyandotte(?) (since your hen is hatchery quality, she probably only has one copy of the rose comb gene, so can pass on either a rose or single comb to her offspring)
#5- speckled sussex or barnevelder
#6-7- australorp or marans (their feathered feet can fade in the next generation because there aren't many there in the first place)

 

[Mimi13]

#1- barred rock
#2-3- white rock(?) (are you sure the amberlink wasn't laying?)
#4- columbian wyandotte mix(?) (since your hen is hatchery quality, she probably only has one copy of the rose comb gene, so can pass on either a rose or single comb to her offspring)
#5- speckled sussex or barnevelder
#6-7- australorp or marans (their feathered feet can fade in the next generation because there aren't many there in the first place)

Excellent!
#1 - Barred Rock
#2&3 - White Rock (Amberlink was in full molt at the time and I distinctly know her eggs - huge and very thin shelled.)
#4 - Colombian Wyandotte (makes perfect sense about the comb.)
#5 - Barnevelder (I actually had the name of my Barnevelder written on this egg, but it’s appearance didn’t seem to match up so I thought I was just wrong.)
#6&7 - Australorp (my Marans was not laying at the time, but that is great info to know.)

Thank you very, very much.

 

[RoostersAreAwesome]

Excellent!
#1 - Barred Rock
#2&3 - White Rock (Amberlink was in full molt at the time and I distinctly know her eggs - huge and very thin shelled.)
#4 - Colombian Wyandotte (makes perfect sense about the comb.)
#5 - Barnevelder (I actually had the name of my Barnevelder written on this egg, but it’s appearance didn’t seem to match up so I thought I was just wrong.)
#6&7 - Australorp (my Marans was not laying at the time, but that is great info to know.)

Thank you very, very much.

The only reason I said amberlink was because white rocks seem to mostly be recessive white, which doesn't show up in the first generation. However, I've also heard of some that have dominant white, which yours must have.