does any one keep mourning doves as pets

[annageckos]

Can you link me to some documentation that shows that red foxes, cotton tails and peregrines are not native? I don't know what you consider 'common field mice', but I know the common house mouse is not native. As for field mice, well, there are quite a few species. Also, just because an animal is native to an area (like the eastern US, for example) doesn't mean it is native to ALL of the US. For example, large mouth bass have been introduced into lakes they are not native to, as so they don't belong there. Even though they are native in other areas close by. White tail deer and Eastern Wild turkeys have spread/ were introduced to areas of the US they are not native to. But they are native species in parts of the US.

 

[laughingdog]

id have to try to find something online, as the stuff i learned about introduced mammals to usa, Australia (introduced there before Americas by the way), and other places, were from good old fashioned books, which took alot more researched facts, and nature/history etc documentaries. im not to good at, and all together unsure of all the anonymous stuff on net (though good starting point to research and confirm most of the conflicts one comes across). i remember reading parts of settlers having to import their animals to feel more at home, and because our native wild life was to elusive for what they were used to hunting for sport.

by the way, how goes the little mourning dove? hope its doing fine.

 

[Speceider]

If you get your federal wildlife rehab license, you can rehab (and keep if they are imprinted, as they wouldn't do any good in the wild at that point) protected birds.


Actually, that is incorrect. They have changed the regs so any non-releasable bird must be euthanized, unless it'll be used for educational purposes and you must provide extensive documentation on when and where you will and have used the bird for educational purposes. These regulations were put in place because the rehab permit was being used in just this manner, as a way for people to keep migratory birds, especially raptors. Consequently, imprinted birds cannot be kept without the extensive educational value.

Clint

 

[Speceider]

no.. actually red foxes, as well as cotton tails and the black and brown rat, and "common" field mouse are all imports. peregrines were imported for hunting sport, as some others were, but all are established now, and taken over or joined niches of native animals, but most see them as native now, as theyve been here so long. for a while we were trying to eradicate the red fox from areas were the native grey fox were being pushed out (though greys can climb, so dont see the conflict, and also were english imported red foxes, as they dont climb so make better "sport" to chase around and hunt by hounds, same as cotton tails on the hunting and eradicating were they were pushing out native burrowing rabbits and hares..), history is an interesting thing, and makes me curious of what the hardiest animals will be left after a while. wait, we are talking about the usa, that the poster is from, right?


All of that is completely incorrect for North America. Norway rats and house mouse and imports, but all the others are native species to North America.

Clint

 

[laughingdog]

 

[laughingdog]

since nothing new on the dove, yet..
how long and what high temp, could i store a pigeon egg at for hatching in this heat, and once get another, should i put the cage,nest, fosters and eggs, somewere cool, or shouldnt matter (i might not have anywere cooler than eighty on the floor)? nor do you think the parents will not know to stay off if to hot and cook the egg/s? went over to friend's house and caught the hen ready to lay, so shooed the chickens away from around her nest were where waiting and waited myself for a bit. hope she will lay tommorrow night as well about same time, or will it be another day? will she keep laying if chickens keep eating her eggs and laying theirs in her nest?

 

[Pops2]

actually red fox are not native to north america. although, there is some dispute for the canadian & new england populations. genetic analysis so far has shown no difference or unrelation between them & the southern population which is known to have been imported from europe, mostly britain. (and they can climb if the lowest branches of the tree are less than 10-12 feet from the ground, unlike greys that can go 30 feet up the trunk of longleaf pines to the lowest branches)
cottontails & peregrines however are native. the cottontail is a non burrowing rabbit and is unrelated to any native rabbits anywhere else in the world. the rabbits in the rest of the waorld are the eurasian wild rabbit or relatives there of, which does burrow. there are feral populations of european rabbit in north america. most are protected because the state agencies do not want to make the effort to differentiate. some places, where there is real concern over the ferals displacing native cottontails, the ferals are unprotected.
peregrines are native throughout the northern hemisphere and maybe the southern as well (i can't remember that for sure). there are distinct populations in north america that are genetically unrelated to european or asian stock for more than 5000 years.

 

[farmdude]

I bought a mourning/ ringneck hybrid once at a swap meet. It was the wildest dove I've ever had. It escaped shortly after I got it. I hoped it hooked up with it's wild relatives and lived a long life.
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[deerman]

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Yes suprise lot of the native animal now, were not here untill the White man. Ringneck pheasants.


Another fact the cottontails are really HARES even though most people call them rabbits. Hares are born with hair. Rabbits are born naked.

 

[Pops2]

cottontails are rabbits. they are born naked. but they are distantly related to eurasian rabbits, so distant in fact that they can not interbreed.
jack rabbits are hares.