****does anyone know this breed of dog personaly?presa canario-update*****

[redhen]

I think a lot of it is HOW you raise the dogs...
They say pitts are baby killers too.. and thats a bunch of bull....
Give it a try if YOU want... do MAJOR training and socialization(and i mean MAJOR, or dont do it..)... might be the best dog you ever had...

Maybe contact a pressa club... or something like that to get more info from people that know the breed good...

ETA: I bet those would be good looking dogs though..

http://www.akc.org/breeds/perro_de_presa_canario/history.cfm




uh yeah... i wouldnt call these guys for info! LMBO!! Scary indeed...


http://boss-presa.com/

 

[redhen]

Also, the FIRST thing i would do is go and SEE the parents... check out their temperment VERY good...
And if you have any worries, then you knows its not the dog for you...
Also, i would maybe be more worried about the rotti in the mix... just my opinion..

 

[Artemis Fowl]

Yes RR do have a higher prey drive, but like any other dog if they're raised around the animals from puppies I don't think you'll have a problem.

thanks for the info

i rescued a RR from animal research when i was in the Army.she was 5yo and her time was up.of course she was pretty traumatized and didn't really react like she would have normally to anything.she didn't really know how to be a dog.the only time she got really excited was when we took her to the park and she got to run.she did like to meet other dogs and learned to like our cats and other critters.she spent the last 8 years of her life sleeping on her sofa just being loved on.
i really can't go by her personality and would think their prey drive would be too strong for the farm animals.

 

[dainerra]

I wouldn't even bother with them, no matter how good the parents temperaments are. You don't know ANYTHING about the rest of their families and neither do the owners. Maybe the mom is the only calm dog good with kids out of the entire family tree. After all, Presaras are intended to have a certain level of human aggression. You don't know about the health of either parent either. Rotties aren't supposed to be anywhere NEAR 150lbs, so either that owner is exaggerating the weight trying to sell "bigger is better" or he is an extremely poorly bred dog likely to have a limitless number of health problems. Either way, not someone I would trust to add a member to my family. Rotties are also rife with temperament issues, including aggression.
If you are going to get a mixed breed, get one from the pound or rescue. Don't reward clueless owners with money for their trouble. All that does is encourage them to do it again.

I'm not sure why everyone thinks that mom and dad are the only ones who have an impact on the pups. Sure, they have the greatest, but their genes come from THEIR parents. Just like you might have a son that looks just like Great Grandpa's brother Frank, dogs can have issues pop up from several generations back in the family tree. That's why good breeders are so important. They know the entire family, even brothers and sisters both for health and temperament.

As for the RR, again, GOOD BREEDER. Have I said that before?? Not all pups in any litter are going to be identical. A good breeder will tell you if one of their dogs would work in your family or not. By the time they send your pup home at 8 weeks, they will know that this dog has a lower prey drive. That is why a good breeder won't just let you hand over $$ and pick out whichever cute pup catches your eye. They've been with these dogs every day of their lives and know their personalities better than anyone.

No matter what breed you get, training training training to be around livestock. ESPECIALLY chickens. Of course, if you plan to have the dog off-leash hiking with the kids, that isn't the only prey drive you'll have to worry about. You're going to need the help of a good trainer to "critter proof" the dog as well as a perfect recall. Dog comes back 100% of the time, no matter what exciting thing he is doing.

I'll say again, protection from a large dog is 99% visual. Anyone who is going to approach with ill-will is going to already have a plan to take the dog out of the equation. They either have a gun or a knife and just plan to kill the dog and go about their crime.

 

[dainerra]

Yes RR do have a higher prey drive, but like any other dog if they're raised around the animals from puppies I don't think you'll have a problem.

actually, like any other dog, they are individuals. Some might never be able to be trusted around small animals, others might never have an issue - even with minimum training.

 

[watchdogps]

watchdogps-
i forgot about those too.a good friend of mine in san diego had these.i couldn't get a chance to know them because they were very protective so she always had to put them up when company came.she would show pictures of them playing and swimming but only she got to see that.
good with kids you say?

There are some sharper chessies, as there is variation in all breeds, but yes a well tempered chessie should be good with RESPECTFUL kids. Again, that applies to pretty much any breed. I am someone who thinks a dog should not tolerate all manner of abuse from a kid. If the kids beats on the dog or pokes it, I think a dog has every right to growl, and even nip if the child doesnt heed the growl. I dont think the dog should go laying kids open, but I think there are a lot of kids out there who would benefit from a nip or two..

Anyway, back to chessies..they are often called the "rottweiler of the retrievers" because they are more guardy. Most arent so protective they need to be put away when guests come over, but they can easily be made that way. Well socialized and trained and they would be fine. If you have had success with the cattle dogs, I think you could handle a chessie very well.

 

[turney31]

I used to work on a very large ranch and had three children that could leave the house in the morning and play all day. I didn't worry much because Candy, an English pointer, was always with them. If they wanted to hunt varmints she was excellent. She would bay hogs. Track a blood trail. My youngest son was walking in the woods to go fishing and he passed by a fallen hollow tree and a coon ran out and attacked his jeans. Candy killed the coon. I was repairing fence and Candy was sleeping nearby when out of nowhere she jumped up came to my side growling with her hair standing on end. I watched where she was looking and a couple of men with guns ( Poachers) came out of the woods. I had to hold her. Many times she alerted us to snakes. At the end of the day she slept with one of the kids.

I highly recomend an English pointer. Never before have I ever seen a more loving, loyal or protective dog. We had Candy 14 years. Oh, by the way we adopted her from the pound.

Good luck in your search.

Micah

 

[dinahmoe]

very cool.
thanks for sharing the story.Good Dog Candy

I used to work on a very large ranch and had three children that could leave the house in the morning and play all day. I didn't worry much because Candy, an English pointer, was always with them. If they wanted to hunt varmints she was excellent. She would bay hogs. Track a blood trail. My youngest son was walking in the woods to go fishing and he passed by a fallen hollow tree and a coon ran out and attacked his jeans. Candy killed the coon. I was repairing fence and Candy was sleeping nearby when out of nowhere she jumped up came to my side growling with her hair standing on end. I watched where she was looking and a couple of men with guns ( Poachers) came out of the woods. I had to hold her. Many times she alerted us to snakes. At the end of the day she slept with one of the kids.

I highly recomend an English pointer. Never before have I ever seen a more loving, loyal or protective dog. We had Candy 14 years. Oh, by the way we adopted her from the pound.

Good luck in your search.

Micah

 

[babyblue2]

While my children are so small the only breeds I will even think about having in the house are a very well bred lab or a very well bred rottie. I would take one of RR's puppies in a heartbeat.


I have had near death experiences with supposedly sweet gentle shelter dogs. Yup sweet dog until said dog freaked out upon seeing me in uniform and chased me on top of a truck trying to maul me. Very close friend got a supposedly pure bred black lab puppy from a shelter. He is 120 pounds as an adult. He is more then likely lab/great dane/mastif. I have children not even school age. If I get a dog I need to be sure that its health, suitability and temperament is good going back several generations.


Also I live in pa, the shelters are basically full of really horrifically bred puppy mill dogs. That or pit mixes of dubious physical and mental health. I love dogs and wish every one could be saved, but I cant be the one risking it with young kids in my home.

 

[dinahmoe]

i agree,there is a 50/50 chance the rescue dog will be a good one but i am not willing to risk my kids safety,not to mention heartbreak, with the other 50%.

now when it was just me i did rescue alot .i took home every stray(almost) that came in the hospital.very few were adoptable but i tried.since i worked as a vet tech,i often took home the hit -by- car -strays that came in.they were good then but when they healed up and got healthy again,man there was a big difference.

While my children are so small the only breeds I will even think about having in the house are a very well bred lab or a very well bred rottie. I would take one of RR's puppies in a heartbeat.


I have had near death experiences with supposedly sweet gentle shelter dogs. Yup sweet dog until said dog freaked out upon seeing me in uniform and chased me on top of a truck trying to maul me. Very close friend got a supposedly pure bred black lab puppy from a shelter. He is 120 pounds as an adult. He is more then likely lab/great dane/mastif. I have children not even school age. If I get a dog I need to be sure that its health, suitability and temperament is good going back several generations.


Also I live in pa, the shelters are basically full of really horrifically bred puppy mill dogs. That or pit mixes of dubious physical and mental health. I love dogs and wish every one could be saved, but I cant be the one risking it with young kids in my home.