Dominique Thread!

[vnsseed]

The Plymouth Barred Rock has a Dominique fowl in its background BUT it wasn't the American Dominique. The Single Comb Dominique used in the breeding of the Barred Rock was most likely a Dom/ Dominique Game Fowl or even a Dominique /Barred Leghorn. We have to remember that with exception to the Rose Comb "American" Dominique the term Dominique refers to a color pattern and not a breed.

http://www.dominiquechicken.com/Dominique_Games.html

Yes there is a slight chance of getting a Single Comb out of a true "American" Rose Comb Dominique but they should be culled and not used in a breeding program.

Chris

Chris,
While I am not disagreeing with you, what is your take on these docs? The Farmers Bulletin (2nd link) does say American Dominique... however the first link just says Dominique. The 1st link has some pretty good history on barred rocks and the breeds used to create them.

http://archive.org/stream/cu31924003091166#page/n11/mode/2up

http://books.google.com/books?id=FE...0CEgQ6AEwATgy#v=onepage&q=barred rock&f=false

 

[vnsseed]

The term "American" Dominique has been around for some time, the American Standard of Perfection even uses it when describing the history of the Barred Plymouth Rock.

"The Dominique male used was not the American or Rose Comb Dominique, but rather a Single Combed, hawk-colored fowl commonly found in that locality."

I believe that since the term "Dominique" was already used to describe a pattern and or a type of gamefowl they just started calling the breed the American Dominique and over time they dropped the American part of the name. Somewhat like how the true name for the Rhode Island Reds is just simply Reds and the Rhode Island part of the name is simply the place of origin.

IMO the ASoP should use the name American Dominique instead of just Dominique since the term Dominique is still used to describe a pattern on fowl.


Chris

The earliest reference I have to "American Dominique" is 1870 here:

http://books.google.com/books?id=hw...4rvGTfsEFgXj8LZABDA&ci=105,990,420,308&edge=0

It appears that the term was used to describe the locale of the Dominique, not necessarily a proper name. Then, IMO, the "American Dominique" name caught on as it is used in publications from 1870, forward.

 

[WallTenters]

Yes - so for roosters that is 8.4lbs max. Sadly there are many breeders breeding and showing birds far over this standard weight. :/

 

[Flowerbh]

Can anyone tell me if this is a Dominique? It was suppose to be. Or is it a BPR? I can't tell if the comb is single or going to be a rose. When does a rose comb start "forming". She is about 8/9 weeks old in this photo.

 

[centrarchid]

Can anyone tell me if this is a Dominique? It was suppose to be. Or is it a BPR? I can't tell if the comb is single or going to be a rose. When does a rose comb start "forming". She is about 8/9 weeks old in this photo.

Best I can determine the comb is single. Single comb is indicative of BPR's but others differences exist that are not easy to see at juvenile stage or from aspect presented.

 

[wsmith]

This is the oldest and largest of our Dom chicks. It was hatched May 6

 

[wsmith]

a week without new posts.......

 

[ChicwannaB]

look at LEGS, dark legs are females, light ones are males. I have 16. Sweet birds. Mine are 8 weeks old now.,

 

[flitter]

Baby pictures! Don't you just hate it! This broody Silkie thinks these are her babies... she's a good mom.




They are in the pen with these guys and the Dom rooster looks after them too! If they stray he sends them back to Silkie Mom.

 

[wsmith]

I downloaded copies of the SOP from 1901, 1905, and 1915. Comparing the three editions and the SOP for the American Dominique or Dominique, over the course of 15 years the standard weight of the American Dominique went from (Cocks) 8 1/2 lbs down to 7 pounds. I wonder why that was...?