Dubbing doesn't hurt the bird, they are fearful but not in a lot of pain. As soon as the bird is placed on the ground they're running and scratching and picking... you could even argue that they like it, cause they start making their happy chirps when they find their spilled blood and wattle pieces (gross, I know, but they like it, lol). If you learn to dub properly, they bleed minimally. In fact, I dubbed a cockerel this year that only shed a single drop of blood (until I got to the comb... that's inevitably bloody). So please, don't accuse us of mutilating our birds. Mutilation would be more along the lines of what KFC did when they were bored. We are simply protecting our birds from frostbite and injury and contining a show standard.