Yes I have seen both on here. have to say I said I would never order from a hatchery but last year I did order 4 Salmon Faverolles and they shipped on Monday afternoon and were at my PO Wed morning healthy and happy. I had a great experience. Mine shipped in May so it wasn't too hot or too cold. Check out Metzers if you decide to ship since your on the west coast. Talk to your PO mail person I did I was a nervous wreck. Hopefully you can find someone local with ducklings. Have you asked on your state thread?