think ill try to find some Birmingham rollers at the first monday flea market, as the others dont tumble or roll at all, and letting the adult female out with the rest for first time, she apparently led the two boys astray probably for good, as been about a week maybe more and the two remaining that the one came back and the other didnt even leave, dont even leave long if at all. figures the best and worst flyiers and being maybe more mutt looking would be the ones to come back after days (it keeps seeming so nice for days, then freak storms suddenly come up almost as soon as release my birds), so maybe ill get some good fliers but still home bodies if they are opposite sexes, as they try to mate and nest on the empty balcony next door, but come in every night so far though one is getting extremely wild. hopefully ill have the resolve and ride to sell some more chickens. this time with the smaller pigeons im going to keep them in longeror some indefinately after find out which females, maybe keeping girls in so know boys will come back. lol