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[pingu1]

starting a new thread about the behaviour of hens and whether or not they are more or less intelligent than a human calling it are we really superior

 

[JJSS89]

I see your point but if you were put in a position where you were put in the depths of a jungle and couldn't get out do you have the intelligence to survive its like the argument that one gender is better than the other but in fact they are both as intelligent as the other just at different things we all have in my opinion equal intelligence. I started walking at around a year my chickens could walk within minutes so in that skill who is the more intelligent the bird with no support or the human who has their family holding them teaching them how to step

intelligence
ɪnˈtɛlɪdʒ(ə)ns/
noun
noun: intelligence

1. 1.​
   the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills.

Chickens are not as intelligent as humans.

Chickens do not acquire skills or apply knowledge. They learn about 5 things in their lives: what they're afraid of, what tastes good, what water is, where to lay eggs, and a few others. Humans have applied enough knowledge that I can instant message with a vegetarian from across the globe at anytime during the day or night.

They know most of what they'll ever know before they are a week old. This is not because they are smart it is because they are instinct driven. Ever seen a baby chick who's never been outside hop in the feed and needlessly scratch? It's because it's an instinct...logically thinking it is unnecessary and even unintelligent to kick it's food when it is already exposed.

Intelligence has nothing to do with ability my friend.

 

[JJSS89]

I should say intelligence does not equal ability.

 

[JJSS89]

starting a new thread about the behaviour of hens and whether or not they are more or less intelligent than a human calling it are we really superior

Make it a poll

 

[jtn42248]

So, pingu1, I did a little research on you because your name intrigued me. I think I may have found your picture online. I did not realize you were THE Pingu of British fame.....

 

[pingu1]

So, pingu1, I did a little research on you because your name intrigued me. I think I may have found your picture online. I did not realize you were THE Pingu of British fame.....

yep that's me the penguin of my country

 

[pingu1]

new fthread this time a poll are we as intelligent as birds or something along those lines

 

[getaclue]

Not everyone is cut out to be a coroner, nor is everyone cut out to be an electronic engineer, and many were not cut out to be great singers. There's more to some things, than just a learning curve. During the depression, my grandfather was a machinist. My grandmother ran the farm. They had 4 children that had been raised farming. When the children got older, and it came time to butcher, they could all do it, but two of them really had a very hard time coming to grips with it. They would clean the chickens, but just hated killing them. Two of the children, while it was not their favorite thing to do, but they didn't really have a problem with butchering. The family's quality of life depended on them being able to raise, butcher, and put up their own meat, and being able to sell the extra for a little additional income, but the two that had such a difficult time with butchering were spared from it as much as possible. For those that are cut out to humanely butcher their livestock, do it. For those that are not cut out to do it, don't. It's that simple.

Nothing that is alive, lives forever. It's not a choice of whether a life it going to be taken, or not. For those that say there is no humane way to take a life, that is nonsense. Humanely taking a life involves minimizing suffering, not eliminating suffering, or death. Chickens are prey, and a food source for just about every meat eating predator on the planet. Predators don't always kill swiftly, and quickly, but will leave their prey wounded, and suffering until they die. Old age is not always kind either. Old ages invites the onset of pain, and suffering in many cases too. Swiftly taking the life of an animal, so pain and suffering are kept to a bare minimum, is very humane. I realize that butchering chickens at a certain age is not done to end pain, and suffering of the chicken, but it does help end hunger. Once again, the chickens are not going to live forever, whether raised as pets, or as food. The choice is the quality of life they are given while alive, and a humane swift end.

 

[JJSS89]

Not everyone is cut out to be a coroner, nor is everyone cut out to be an electronic engineer, and many were not cut out to be great singers. There's more to some things, than just a learning curve. During the depression, my grandfather was a machinist. My grandmother ran the farm. They had 4 children that had been raised farming. When the children got older, and it came time to butcher, they could all do it, but two of them really had a very hard time coming to grips with it. They would clean the chickens, but just hated killing them. Two of the children, while it was not their favorite thing to do, but they didn't really have a problem with butchering. The family's quality of life depended on them being able to raise, butcher, and put up their own meat, and being able to sell the extra for a little additional income, but the two that had such a difficult time with butchering were spared from it as much as possible. For those that are cut out to humanely butcher their livestock, do it. For those that are not cut out to do it, don't. It's that simple.

Nothing that is alive, lives forever. It's not a choice of whether a life it going to be taken, or not. For those that say there is no humane way to take a life, that is nonsense. Humanely taking a life involves minimizing suffering, not eliminating suffering, or death. Chickens are prey, and a food source for just about every meat eating predator on the planet. Predators don't always kill swiftly, and quickly, but will leave their prey wounded, and suffering until they die. Old age is not always kind either. Old ages invites the onset of pain, and suffering in many cases too. Swiftly taking the life of an animal, so pain and suffering are kept to a bare minimum, is very humane. I realize that butchering chickens at a certain age is not done to end pain, and suffering of the chicken, but it does help end hunger. Once again, the chickens are not going to live forever, whether raised as pets, or as food. The choice is the quality of life they are given while alive, and a humane swift end.

Of course. However, look at your post from a perspective that chickens are just important, if not more important, than are you. A conscientious objection to taking any life in any form.

Then you'll understand those that disagree with you. Trust me, I know it's hard to comprehend.

 

[pingu1]

Of course. However, look at your post from a perspective that chickens are just important, if not more important, than are you. A conscientious objection to taking any life in any form.

Then you'll understand those that disagree with you. Trust me, I know it's hard to comprehend.

I agree but t=chickens are not more important than us they are at the same level