eating your pet open discussion

[jtn42248]

Now and then this discussion comes along both here on BYC and on other forums I participate in. There is never a resolution that is satisfactory to everyone involved in the discussion. I am a meat eater even though my cardiologist would like to talk be off of that ledge. I raise chickens, ducks and geese. They provide sustenance for me and my family BUT I do not butcher them and eat them. I tried and was so disgusted by the act that I had to admit that I am not designed to be that kind of a carnivore. I also did not want any more of the meat and poultry sold in stores that is easily half added water and God only knows what chemicals. So, I visited around the area I live in and have found both poultry raisers and cattle raisers that do butcher their own stock and are willing to sell to me with the disclaimer that if I drop over dead they will not be held responsible. So, for a few dollars more I get the most outstanding organic field raised meat and poultry you can imagine, I don't have to butcher my birds who I have grown fond of and, at least in my corner of it, all is right with the world. My neighbors think I am a little off center but they do not turn down the cash as it the way with a capitalistic arrangement.

I am not some sort of animal pacifist by any means. I will not hesitate for an instant to shoot and kill a critter that is intent on intruding on my little bit of Gods Green Earth to kill my stock. And, have done so many times. Funny that I don't feel any remorse over that?

So, the "murderer" is the farmer down the road. I am guilty by association I suppose and I certainly do my best to destroy the evidence at the dinner table.

 

[pingu1]

Pingu,
Murder is the unlawful killing of another person. It is impossible to murder livestock or even a pet because they are not people. If you want to call killing a chicken something else besides killing then you would need to start a new term because the word "murder" is not for hire and just because you treat your animals like people does not make the rest of us murderers for eating birds.

Judges do not let people off for killing people humanely or otherwise. They let them off if and only if it is justified. People who kill their chickens do not face legal charges (except for animal cruelty) because it is inherently justified based on the fact that chickens are livestock. If you want them to be your pets or friends, that is obviously nobody's concern but your own. However, they are still livestock.

There are similarities in the way you and I raise chickens. I care for them, hatch them, raise them, feed them. I think they are adorable and striking. I go to great lengths to protect my birds.

The way in which you consider your chickens part of your family is a very, very new concept relatively speaking. So is the idea of not eating meat. The human race has been treating animals as livestock and eating meat for many thousands of years. Befriending chickens and eating only vegetarian are mere decades old as a popular viewpoint.

Worms eat dirt, chickens eat worms, I eat chickens. I am at the top of the food-chain. I am not an animal but I am a vastly superior being and so are you. If you decide to step down the food-chain a few links then that is up to you. You take certain risks by removing animal proteins.

Since you 100% agree with Liverwart that you taking any being's life is murder then I suggest you "tread" carefully and rinse your vegetables very careful to you don't hurt any gnats or aphids because they are beings too.

slaughter then my point exactly I'm not saying its illegal I'm just saying that I don't think its possible to humanely slaughter and I am very careful with my mum cooks my veg but I always transfer any living thing on my veg to their natural habitat .

 

[pingu1]

morning

When I say superior I mean we are supplied with intelligence, empathy, and understanding beyond any other animal. We are animals, sure. We are the only ones that will spend incredible amounts of energy taking care of other species. Some to have as pets, some as livestock. Heck, we've even bred and perpetuated traits of other species to increase their "nobility". The domesticated horse and dog are some of the most loyal and tractable creatures on earth. Far more than some humans.

I see your point but if you were put in a position where you were put in the depths of a jungle and couldn't get out do you have the intelligence to survive its like the argument that one gender is better than the other but in fact they are both as intelligent as the other just at different things we all have in my opinion equal intelligence. I started walking at around a year my chickens could walk within minutes so in that skill who is the more intelligent the bird with no support or the human who has their family holding them teaching them how to step

intelligence
ɪnˈtɛlɪdʒ(ə)ns/
noun
noun: intelligence

1. 1.​
   the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills.

 

[needlessjunk]

slaughter then [COLOR=FF0000]my point exactly[/COLOR][COLOR=000000]  I'm not saying its illegal I'm just saying that I don't think its possible to humanely slaughter and I am very careful with my mum cooks my veg but I always transfer any living thing on my veg to their natural habitat .[/COLOR]

You don't destroy bugs? So fire ants, flys, and Mosquitos are all just "moved"? What about West Nile Virus?

 

[pingu1]

good one at the end but I started this thread to see peoples opinion and how much they are prepared to defend their beliefs once again great comedy

 

[pingu1]

You don't destroy bugs? So fire ants, flys, and Mosquitos are all just "moved"? What about West Nile Virus?

that was me being sarcastic I couldn't care a less what my mum did with her veg so long as it tastes good

 

[jtn42248]

I see your point but if you were put in a position where you were put in the depths of a jungle and couldn't get out do you have the intelligence to survive its like the argument that one gender is better than the other but in fact they are both as intelligent as the other just at different things we all have in my opinion equal intelligence. I started walking at around a year my chickens could walk within minutes so in that skill who is the more intelligent the bird with no support or the human who has their family holding them teaching them how to step

intelligence
ɪnˈtɛlɪdʒ(ə)ns/
noun
noun: intelligence

1. 1.​
   the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills.

Now this would be an entirely new discussion...learned versus instinctive behavior...really has nothing to do with this discussion. Example: a baby chick does not learn to walk in minutes, it is an instinctive act. The human child has the instinct to move and, left alone without any bipedal examples to follow may just learn to crawl and wriggle but never to stand upright, balance and actually walk. So, teaching with assistance on the part of the parent comes into play along with the instinct to be mobile and...walking is learned. The basic dynamic of all living things is to survive. In adverse environments two living creatures may "learn" to totally seperate means of survival. One is not better or more right than the other if they both achieve the goal of survival.

 

[Spartan22]

At least your pet lettuce sticks around, mine bolts!

ha ha ha, I was being sarcastic funny - give me meat (Liberty)or give me death !

 

[pingu1]

Now this would be an entirely new discussion...learned versus instinctive behavior...really has nothing to do with this discussion. Example: a baby chick does not learn to walk in minutes, it is an instinctive act. The human child has the instinct to move and, left alone without any bipedal examples to follow may just learn to crawl and wriggle but never to stand upright, balance and actually walk. So, teaching with assistance on the part of the parent comes into play along with the instinct to be mobile and...walking is learned. The basic dynamic of all living things is to survive. In adverse environments two living creatures may "learn" to totally seperate means of survival. One is not better or more right than the other if they both achieve the goal of survival.

if you want I can start a new thread about humans calling themselves superior and about different skills of chickens

 

[JaceAgain]

 
Pingu,
Murder is the unlawful killing of another person.  It is impossible to murder livestock or even a pet because they are not people.  If you want to call killing a chicken something else besides killing then you would need to start a new term because the word "murder" is not for hire and just because you treat your animals like people does not make the rest of us murderers for eating birds.

[COLOR=FF0000]Judges do not let people off for killing people humanely or otherwise[/COLOR].  They let them off if and only if it is justified.  People who kill their chickens do not face legal charges (except for animal cruelty) because it is inherently justified based on the fact that chickens are livestock.  If you want them to be your pets or friends, that is obviously nobody's concern but your own.  However, they are still livestock.

There are similarities in the way you and I raise chickens.  I care for them, hatch them, raise them, feed them.  I think they are adorable and striking.  I go to great lengths to protect my birds. 

The way in which you consider your chickens part of your family is a very, very new concept relatively speaking.  So is the idea of not eating meat.  The human race has been treating animals as livestock and eating meat for many thousands of years.  Befriending chickens and eating only vegetarian are mere decades old as a popular viewpoint.

Worms eat dirt, chickens eat worms, I eat chickens.  I am at the top of the food-chain.  I am not an animal but I am a vastly superior being and so are you.  If you decide to step down the food-chain a few links then that is up to you.  You take certain risks by removing animal proteins. 

Since you 100% agree with Liverwart that you taking any being's life is murder then I suggest you "tread" carefully and rinse your vegetables very careful to you don't hurt any gnats or aphids because they are beings too.

slaughter then [COLOR=FF0000]my point exactly[/COLOR][COLOR=000000]  I'm not saying its illegal I'm just saying that I don't think its possible to humanely slaughter and I am very careful with my mum cooks my veg but I always transfer any living thing on my veg to their natural habitat .[/COLOR]

By definition, slaughter is violent and cruel, so no, it is not possible to humanely slaughter a chicken. It is possible to humanely kill a chicken.
No amount of "good comedy" or "hahaha's" is going to change that. It is a sign of a very limited mind to not see the difference between a quick and painless death or a prolongued torturous one.